.. to be disappointed that a racist received a standing ovation!

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Danny Baker: Standing ovation at first show since Twitter storm www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-48249637

What is wrong with people. He showed his true inherent racism but people still believe he's a top bloke!

Somethingonce, my bad: most people don't see their race as an important part of their identity. The madness of me to have thought so. I guess, not seeing race when you bask in white privilege makes sense. When you never have to face discrimination because of the colour of your skin, you can have the luxury of saying race isn't part of my lived experience or my identity. What luxury it is not to see race.

ps mental illness and suicide doesn't know colour

Race and ethnicity isn't data that's collected on death certificates so you can't really say that white males commit suicide quite frequently. We only know that males commit suicide - that's males of all races.

Mental health information, however, does highlight a higher prevalence of MH diagnoses in the BME population.

I'm not feeling sorry for a white male racist. He's NOT a victim.

Pgqio, that's not the issue is it? Pain knows no colour but your colour means you are more or less likely to race mental torture of racism everytime you leave your house. If facing the consequences of your actions when you are white is seen as injustice, then Lord help us.

I think so many posters on this thread are displaying a great deal of ignorance as to what is racist. They really need to educate themselves .
As previous posters have said , you don’t have to wear a white gown with a pointed hood to display racist behaviour.
There is direct / overt racism , institutional racism , unconscious bias or just having a lack of respect for someone because of their race.
It’s an absolute disgrace

I think many of the defenders of DB (or those who are not calling him a racist) are fully aware of racism and its various forms

Somethingonce, my bad: most people don't see their race as an important part of their identity. The madness of me to have thought so. I guess, not seeing race when you bask in white privilege makes sense. When you never have to face discrimination because of the colour of your skin, you can have the luxury of saying race isn't part of my lived experience or my identity.

No, you made a generalisation about race as fundamental to, not part of, and it wasn’t clear we were talking about you personally

Fair play though, you’ve been at it all day.

Suiker at least you finally admit it. You know what racism is and it's different forms but refuse to see that Danny is racist and made a racist comment aimed at hurting the feelings of a mixed-race mother and black/mixed race people.

Good for you, continue defending racism in the full knowledge of what it is, it's different manifestations, and its impact. Good for you.

Somethingonce, most of the times we speak in normal conversations and on here, we make statements that apply to the majority of vast majority. People rarely make an elaborate point of talking about exceptions. For every thing spoken about there is bound to be an exception.

So your point about generalisation is just a distraction. Okay, let's say for the vast majority of people, their race is an absolutely fundamental part of their identity and lived experiences. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, what is your point?

That I think you are discounting the fact that not everybody feels the same way you do.

I’m guessing you’re relatively young and privileged yourself, in the scheme of things.

I'm absolutely not discounting the experiences of others. Fact is race matters to the majority of people. It matters to their identity. It matters to their lived experiences. Fact! What exactly is the diminishing of other people's experiences? Saying that race matters in terms of identity?

Sorry these silly diversionary tactics do not work. What exactly is your point and contribution here? That there are exceptions to every rule or generalisation? We all know that. It goes without saying. So what's your point?

I can think of three people (of colour, for the avoidance of doubt) off the top of my head who don’t fit your Fact!s, and I’d put money on them not being insulted as you describe; I doubt they’re all that exceptional.

I appreciate you’re very invested in a particular world view, so doubt there’s much I can add. Wishing you all the best, though.

Sorry these silly diversionary tactics do not work

One thing: It’s not a tactic because I’m not playing a game and I’m not trying to win anything.

I can think of three people (of colour, for the avoidance of doubt) off the top of my head who don’t fit your Fact!s, and I’d put money on them not being insulted as you describe; I doubt they’re all that exceptional

What colour would that be? Are you afraid of describing some one as black? If so...why?

Do you not think the cultural heritage of people is important? If not why not?

Our heritage and culture is fundamental in making us who we are..

Somethingonce, I take your 3 "people of colour" (I guess you find that term acceptable in the UK?) and raise you about 20 black people I know personally who finds it racist. So my point stands, the majority of people, regardless of race see their race as fundamental to their identity and their lived experiences especially those who live in societies where they facecdiscrimination because of their skin colour.

I put my money on most black people finding the tweet offensive, without a moment's hesitation.

And I suggest you educate yourself on calling black people in the UK "people of colour".

ScarcelyBurnt. Cross posted. It is not considered acceptable to call black people 'people of colour' in the UK. Try telling a racist that though

Indeed, I think Somethingonce outed herself there with her "people of colour" remark. says a lot! As you say, a racist would not give a second thought to why people in the UK and for many in the US find this term offensive. You can bet she will be rather upset that others find being referred to by that phrase offensive. She'll be offended that others are offended and that as a white person she is the victim here and it's wrong and abusive for her to have to take into consideration her description is offensive. How very dare Black people!

I hear PoC used plenty in the UK and used it here because only one of them is black.

Neither offended nor upset. Educated on the matter, certainly. Many thanks.

And I suggest you educate yourself on calling black people in the UK "people of colour"

But "people of colour" "women of colour" is an acceptable term in the US. Not everyone on MN is British or lives in the UK.

Danny Baker is an idiot and his attempts to defend himself are pathetic. Even if he genuinely didn't think the tweet was racist, why choose the birth of their first child to try to make a point, allegedly , about inherited privilege?

The birth of a baby really should have no comment , if you think it is hypocritical to say anything, or a simple "congratulations".
No matter how unpleasant the parents are this is not the moment to score points. If it had been say Donald Trump becoming a father again or a grandfather posting a stupid picture portraying the baby as a chimp would also be wrong.

I hear PoC used plenty in the UK and used it here because only one of them is black

What colour are the other two?

It's an international website. PofC makes me cringe a bit but a lot of people use it, esp Americans. Don't be horrible.

Here is a woman of color talking about being a woman of color.

www.catalyst.org/2019/02/28/women-of-color-need-to-be-silence-breakers/

And here is BBC Women's Hour talking about the first all-women-of-colour cast and crew production of Richard II

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002zzs

Here is a black business woman in the UK talking about setting up a make up business for women of colour.

www.marketingweek.com/2019/05/09/beauty-industry-failing-women-colour/

And here is a black woman objecting to the term

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/black-women-people-of-colour-racism-beyonce-coachella-black-lives-matter-a8316561.html%3famp

Personally I would avoid the expression simply because on the one hand there will accusations of racism as on here but it is definitely not true to say the expression is unacceptable in the UK or elsewhere.

I didn’t like it much myself when I first heard it, for the very reasons people are now saying it’s offensive. But it would almost certainly have been offensive for me to say so at the time So it’s now ok for me not to like it, and to never use it again? Result!

And I suggest you educate yourself on calling black people in the UK "people of colour

Are you going to tell Florence Adepojuand Adjoa Andoh to educate themselves?