To worry about the pollution caused by football fans.

[Woulditbeworth]

I know nothing about football but...

There are two football finals with teams from the uk. Liverpool vs Tottenham and Man U vs Arsenal (I think). They are being played in Madrid and Baku, so thats approx 50,000 extra people travelling from the UK, by air.

I get that the locations where agreed in advance but AIBU to be annoyed that we are all trying to be environmentally friendly with reusable bottles and wooden sodding toothbrushes and those with power have no regard for anything other than money!

Now, now, Not, on MN children all live in nice houses with gardens (where all the food is grown) in quiet cul-de-sacs that back onto forests or fields for free range and eat vegetarian diets, cycle and walk everywhere (parents don't have cars) and don't engage in sports like football (they don't have tellies, either, screens are evil, so don't watch it, either).

I really don't care what anyone thinks of my opinion that football is a vile sport.

Well, fortunately nobody is ever going to give such as stupid suggestion as banning it any consideration, so we don't have to care about it either.

Notmypuppy, very selective reading there. I said the practice of kicking a ball around a field wasn't vile. As deprived children in Brazil probably aren't getting drunk, beating women, fighting, ending up in hospital, flying all over the world and being paid millions, I don't see that as a problem.

Badlad - I wasn't asking you to care.

It’s not selective. The entire point of my post is that people around the world regardless of socio-economic status can get involved and be passionate about football. A lot of the players you resent earning so much money are in fact deprived children from Brazil or developing nations (I named one, I can give you as many as you like).

Of course football has its downsides. Racism is another one you didn’t mention. But plenty of positives too, especially in engaging disadvantaged kids in something positive.

So I’m not talking about the actual kicking of the ball either. I’m talking about the culture around it. Flawed in many respects, yes. Vile? Don’t be ridiculous.

Nobody was asking you to care when they pointed out what a ridiculous, farted out nugget banning vile football was. But you still had to inform us that you didn't care.

The reasons you have mentioned are all good, obviously. The reasons I have mentioned are vile, and a bit more than flawed.

Badlad - I am entitled to make a comment on a public forum, as are you. Me thinking the aspects of football that I have mentioned are vile says nothing about my intelligence. I would be concerned about yours though, if you think a thug culture, fighting and domestic abuse isn't vile. That's very worrying indeed

I don't disagree theres a problem but extinction rebellion need to go back to school and stop being hypocrites

I want to know how many went to SE Asia for gap years

I travel for work and I travel for pleasure. Life is so shit for a lot of people these days, do we have to keep sacrificing things that give us pleasure?

I have no children. That's my bit done for the environment

Badlad - I am entitled to make a comment on a public forum, as are you

Don't worry - nobody is trying to take away your right to post. Most people read this forum for entertainment, and stupid opinions like banning football are a large part of the entertainment. But your "I wasn't asking you to care" works just as well against you.

And again, my opinion is stupid. Personally, I don't think wanting to see an end to the money spent treating people who have been affected by drunken football fights/injuries and the women/men who were at risk of being battered due to a football match is "stupid".

Never mind, clearly you're happy for that to continue

Never mind, clearly you're happy for that to continue

Holy shit, you've come up with something even stupider. You've somehow drawn the conclusion that not wanting football to be banned or agreeing that football is vile is condoning football-related violence.

Mostly people with stupid opinions live in blissful ignorance. Too bad for you that football is going anywhere, so you'll have to learn the skill of lumping it.

isn't going anywhere.

I'd normally assume the meaning was clear, but not here.

Why do you keep insisting that I'm stupid, Badlad? Do you do that to everyone who has an opinion that doesn't match yours?

I'd rather they just completely banned football tbh. Vile sport.

The venue is decided long before whose known to be in the final, the countries would not be happy with their tourism suddenly cut! You clearly don't realise how relatively few fans will be going from England due to ticket allocation? So your argument is not valid!

I'd rather they just completely banned football tbh. Vile sport.

You do realise they don't feed the footballers to lions don't you, they are not Christians! Seems a very extreme reaction to a national sport....

I wish Neymar Jr had stayed in the favela instead of being paid loads of money for playing football and inspiring the next generation of Brazilian kids. Vile man.

how fucking ignorant, and racist actually.

Not EVERYONE who is born in Brazil is raised in a favela...

He’s just a footballer, he plays football professionally, just like his dad did.

It’s not his duty or responsibility to do anything else other than to score goals. That’s his job.

Why do you keep insisting that I'm stupid, Badlad?

Stubbornly putting the same shit out time and time again?

You could be Jose Mourinho, I suppose.

You don’t like football so in your mind it’s okay to punish those who do. Why don’t you start in your own backyard instead?
Stop doing anything that you get pleasure from, get rid of your car, don’t take flights, live in a tent, stop using precious resources etc etc etc.
No, didn’t think so.
Another do as I say not as I do.

BadLad didn't say you are stupid, but that your opinion is stupid. Big difference. We all sometimes pop out realy stupid thoughts🤷‍♀️

But tbh... If it wasn't football something else would get blamed for DV. It's not the sport causing it. It's the abuser. They wil allways find a reason. Fav team lost a match? Tennis pro lost? 3 extra seeds of cumin in their dinner? Nothing in particular? Just because?

Banning certain sports would not change the nature of people. Hooligans would just find something else, so would abusers.

if you think a thug culture, fighting and domest

You making generalisation and sweeping statements to try and fit your idiotic opinion.

A minority does not equate to the majority, in all walks of professions and sporting, you get some or all of the above in any walk of life, however they are the minority.

In England alone statistics by the FA 2018 report.

8.2 million adults of which 6.25 million are men and 2.03 million are women.
3.35 million children, aged 5-15 or which 2.49 million are boys and 860,000 are girls.

Just a good job Sports England have the the best interests of the country at forefront, rather than someone’s narrow minded opinion.

Men who travel abroad, get hammered then fight are not football fans.

I live near a sports ground and every day there are adults or children playing football. They are proper fans of football and couldn't be more different from the hooligans that you describe.

If footie were banned, the abusers would find a different reason to behave like scum. If you really wanted to tackle hooligans behaviour then I bet that alcohol and drugs feature higher in the causes than football. There are problems in football like racism but strange that you didn't include it in the explanation about why it's vile.

Racist? Where did I say everyone who grew up in Brazil is from a favela? I used Neymar specifically as an example because I saw a documentary slot about his extremely disadvantaged beginnings, and he was in the football press for having got a tattoo of a young boy holding a football looking out at greater things.

Where did I saw it was his job to do anything other than score goals? The point is that by doing so, kids will look up to him and want to take up football, and because it is such an accessible sport they will be able to do so.

Would you say motorists were vile because some cars caused injury to people? Would you say men or women were vile because of a minority are true scum? I don't like football and think that the prices of the strip, match tickets are a con but it's hardly vile.

A discussion on what could be done to combat domestic violence (in its entirety, but there's no doubt that it increases after major football games) is well worth having, even if it's not relevant to the environmental problems of the European finals not being in England.

It's the notion that football is therefore vile and the idea of banning it that is ridiculous. So is the implication that not agreeing with that means one is happy for violence to continue.

Not EVERYONE who is born in Brazil is raised in a favela...

Neymar Jr was. He makes a huge deal of it too. It's not an assumption, it's his own words.

Doesn't stop him being a petulant wee dick right enough. But the poster who said that was only going on Neymar's own narrative.

Messi also came from a very poverty stricken background I believe. That doesn't mean I assume all Argentinians do.

Sorry, your frequent attempt to patronise me aren't going to change my (valid) opinion in any way, shape or form. I believe that football causes many issues. Professional football, anyway. If children want to kick a ball around a field, cool. Grown men behaving in the way that some do is appalling. Thankfully, most of the people I associate with think the same. All those thick academics with their wrong opinions about violence and abuse.