To worry about the pollution caused by football fans.

[Woulditbeworth]

I know nothing about football but...

There are two football finals with teams from the uk. Liverpool vs Tottenham and Man U vs Arsenal (I think). They are being played in Madrid and Baku, so thats approx 50,000 extra people travelling from the UK, by air.

I get that the locations where agreed in advance but AIBU to be annoyed that we are all trying to be environmentally friendly with reusable bottles and wooden sodding toothbrushes and those with power have no regard for anything other than money!

nannyred I can assure you that many will attend - these clubs could easily sell double that number (each, let alone collectively)

Why do you feel no guilt by the way?

I'd rather they just completely banned football tbh. Vile sport

How would you propose to go about doing this?

Idiotic fucking comment

Do you drive?

I don’t think people understand how the ticket allocation works.

The stadium for the Champions League Final has a capacity of 68000. Regardless of who made it to the final, the teams involved were only ever going to be issued with 32000 tickets. The remaining 36000 tickets are a combination of hospitality tickets & tickets already issued to the general public in ballots back in March. These 36000 tickets were issued in advance & flights, hotels, car hire will have already been booked so you can’t go changing venues now.

With regards to the Europa Final, it’s an interesting one because the stadium in Baku also has a capacity of around 68000 HOWEVER the stadium will not be filled to capacity & tickets have been restricted to 6000 per team because of the city infrastructure, amenities, transport, airport capacity etc. Baku simply can’t take 68000 visitors. If the final was originally intended to be held in England or any other country with better infrastructure then the situation would be the same as it is with the Champions League & the stadium would be filled to capacity therefore it’s actually “better” for the environment to have it in Baku as less people will be flying.

Most of the fans at these matches will be locals

No they won’t be, you’d be surprised how many hospitality tickets go to people from the Middle & Far East.

Far more people go on holidaythaj a few football matches.

I'd worry more about the school traffic every day where people drive rather than walk.

You will feel guilty in a few years time,NannyRed, if you want your grandchildren to have a healthy environment to grow up in. But if going to Disney is more important to you then crack on

Do you never go on holiday???

I deliberately don’t fly but I expect most of these people will be doing this instead of an holiday so it won’t generate many extra flying miles.

I don't fly, I drive and it's short haul, it's at least 4 of us in the car and I only do one a year.

I don't do long haul holidays, Disney and called "Holiday of the lifetime" nonsense, and I don't do weekend piss ups in cheap European destinations.

Have done Paris on the train though.

OP are you from Manchester?

deliberately don’t fly but I expect most of these people will be doing this instead of an holiday so it won’t generate many extra flying miles.

I don't think so, the football is a lads one, and the family holiday would be separately to that.

@notmypuppy. I feel no guilt when I fly because I’m on a plane full of a hundred other passengers. Guilt won’t make my carbon footprint any less.
I walk almost everywhere and rarely use my car, I recycle, I buy ethical, I shop at the clean kilo (a zero waste, no plastic supermarket) I am not going to be made to feel guilty for exploring the world and enjoying life!
What good would my guilt do?

“I don't think so, the football is a lads one, and the family holiday would be separately to that”.

Interesting, the fan being interviewed about price of flights and tickets on BBC news was a woman. I gather they’re allowed in too.

As far as I know they are not adding planes

They certainly are for the Baku match.

Sure, the BBC interviewed a woman fan, so that means all fans go there on their family holiday? Of course.

The obvious difference between football fans and holidaymakers is that this involves 50,000-odd people flying purely to witness a 90 minute event which will be broadcast on television anyway.

In 30 years’ time, I think our kids will look back on behaviour like this as ridiculously entitled environmental profligacy from our generation. That’s assuming our kids survive the inevitable catastrophic climate events we’re kindly cooking up for them.

I suspect they will, but anyone thinking they'll differentiate between one type of inessential pleasure profligacy and another is kidding themselves. I'd never fly long haul for either a holiday or a sporting event even if I could afford it, fwiw.

I'd rather they just completely banned football tbh. Vile sport

Wins most idiotic comment in MN

Yes let’s ban football giving millions of children and adult a healthy lifestyle which would then affect the economy of hundreds of countries

ChardonnaysPrettySister

Sure, the BBC interviewed a woman fan, so that means all fans go there on their family holiday? Of course.”

You’re quite cross .
I don’t watch football, so don’t care who goes, and I don't fly. Just a casual observation that women go to football. Not impossible that families might combine the two.
Anyway, there won’t be additional flights because of the matches, hence prices for those already scheduled that would be flying anyway rocketing. If they would have been flying on family holidays anyway, that won’t make any difference to air pollution either.

I'm not cross, just bemused at people's gullibility. While it's not impossible to combine the two I highly doubt many families will combine a trip to Baku with their annual family child friendly holiday, so the trips to Baku will be in addition to that, but of course we all have different opinions on this and you might think Baku is the perfect destination for a child friendly family holiday.

Chardonnays

Baku looks fantastic! Did you not see Joanna Lumley’s Silk Road Adventure, looks like a wonderful place and I’d love to go. Don’t fly though so it’s unlikely, don’t fancy schlepping there by train. So it’s Blighty for us again.

Because they’re more likely to be working class & lots of middle class lefties mainly see climate change as something the poor need to make sacrifices to deal with while they carry on as normal. See: Emma Thompson. Well said. Chelsea fans working class not so much

Buddytheelf85

In 30 years’ time, I think our kids will look back on behaviour like this as ridiculously entitled environmental profligacy from our generation. That’s assuming our kids survive the inevitable catastrophic climate events we’re kindly cooking up for them.

And no doubt these kids will be the same entitled fuckwits that moan if they don't get their holidays abroad.

Yeah, I'm sure the Silk Road will be overran with football fans.

Surely formula anything is worse as people travelling to watch cars burning precious fossil fuels for no real reason

ChardonnaysPrettySister

You’ve made me google it as well now!
It actually looks like a brilliant place for a family holiday, even an UNESCO World Heritage Site. I really want to go now.

There we are, problem solved, they can all take their families with them and save all those airmiles to Benidorm .

Have a nice day.

Baku is safe. Problem zone is on the other side of the country. There is history, modern stuff, beaches, resorts. So yeah, it could make nice family holidays imho.
It's been on my places to visit list for a while. Only problem is the travel. You can't go direct.