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MIL demanding to have 3 month old overnight

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ClareSleepy · 03/05/2019 15:59

Please help me reason with DH my MIL has set up her home like a nursery and has been pressuring to have DD at her place overnight practically since she was born. DH is manipulated by her and always tells me he feels so sorry for her. I've told MIL she can visit us and see her granddaughter whenever she likes but she whinges to DH and plays the victim that she can't have DD overnight at her place. I'm made out to be the villain for saying no and DH and I have just argued again about it it's getting me so down. What can I say to make them both back off?

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Sunshine1235 · 03/05/2019 22:14

You need to be firm OP, if you can’t do it for yourself then do it for your baby.

AlmostAJillSandwich · 03/05/2019 22:20

Did she ever have a daughter of her own? If not, maybe this is some not so healthy fantasy for her where she pretends your daughter is hers and she always desperately wanted a girl. I'd be worried.

Mum2jenny · 03/05/2019 22:24

A 3 month old baby needs its mum, no others, end of!
Tell your dmil she can have your child when its 3 years old and not before.
She is being totally unreasonable.

SauvingnonBlanketyBlanc · 03/05/2019 22:31

Only do it if YOU want to and if YOU are ready.She doesn't need to have her overnight at all.My parents had ds overnight weekly from 8 weeks (bad pnd) but I know I'm not the norm.Dont be pressured.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 03/05/2019 22:36

We didn't have sleepovers with DGS until he was well over a year old, and sleeping through. Grandchildren are a privilege, not a right.

IHaveNoIdeaReally · 03/05/2019 22:42

@Soontobe60

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 x infinity

Congrats though on bullying your DIL into overnight visits!

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/05/2019 22:47

Time to ask your husband that he needs to decide whether he's a husband and a father, or just a son.

If he persisted in pandering to his mother, I would completely lose my shit and read him the riot act.

bananafish · 03/05/2019 22:48

Eek - what a nightmare scenario. It sounds bloody awful.

But - you do need to learn to stand up for yourself. No-one else is going to do it for you.

It would be lovely to have the support of your husband (and that's another conversation you're going to have to tackle at some point) but in the meantime....just say "no".

No - and no guilt about it. Your baby is, what, 12 weeks old? They need to be with you. Shut the conversation down. "I do not want to be away from them overnight." That's it - just repeat like a broken record. Husband and MIL will get the message. It will be uncomfortable but sometimes you need to do the thing and let the chips fall where they will....

theWarOnPeace · 03/05/2019 22:53

Clare oh I really am just so sorry you’re going through something so similar. For me it was so long ago that I can talk about it like it’s something from a horrible book, I’ve emotionally cut it away, I think.

The advice I would give to you, aside from the obvious ‘stand your ground’ type stuff, is to arm yourself with knowledge and understanding of your baby, in order to gain confidence.

Listen to audiobooks like Philippa Perry’s ‘The Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read’. It’s about not following fads or allowing toxic parental relationships or mistakes to filter into your relationships and bond with your own child. It’s about the more primal needs of your baby and explains it all really well. When you research something and find evidence that lines up with your own feelings and beliefs, you gain the power and confidence to uphold those beliefs. When it stops being a feeling, and you understand it as a fact, it’s easier to push against the people around you telling you that you’re wrong. Arm yourself with information about why babies need to be as close to their primary caregiver as possible in their first years. Why separation of mother and baby can cause huge psychological and emotional distress to both.

Whilst I think that you should of course be able to say “I’m not comfortable with that” and be heard, clearly you’re being worn down. When you’re totally worn down, the frantic anxiety starts to kick in and you second guess yourself. That’s when the strength that comes from knowledge can be helpful. You’re not being silly or precious, we are biologically designed to want to be close to our babies. Our babies are completely helpless without their mothers on an evolutionary level. I understand that we have bottles, lovely convenient things and all sorts now so babies can live without their birth mothers, but it’s not the gold standard for Mother and child. We are programmed, hard-wired, physically built to be with them. It’s the simplest thing in the world, but people and their self-centred narcissistic ways will always try and derail even the things that everyone else instinctively understands to be sacred (like that a baby should be with its mother!), yet they butt in anyway with their own selfish demands.

Nobody has the right to pressure you in this way, but they are doing it, and you’re a new mum with a small baby, so it can be extremely difficult to be assertive and tell everyone to just fuck off! I don’t expect you feel up to having a showdown with MIL, so just take the scenic route, learn some interesting stuff along they way - and hit her with some facts next time she starts pestering you. Be warned. If she left your DH with grandparents from a tiny age, she will have even more motivation to pressure you into it, to validate her own decisions as a mother. That could make her cling onto the idea a bit tighter.

GlamGiraffe · 03/05/2019 23:11

Tell MIL thanks for offering but you probably have different styles of parenting and you feel that it's not right for you to be separated from baby at the moment. Of course in the future you're sure it would be lovely for her to do sleepovers but that's not yet.... Don't worry you'll let her know when.... You appreciate the offer but really are feeling the importance of bonding time.

Of course this is just a way of saying NO.

It's completely unreasonable behaviour on her part.she should buy a puppy if wants to be that full on. Why would she Have been so presumptuous to decorate a full nursery in her home. She's clearly odd.
I suspect DH has been whingeing to MIL about being exhausted so MIL will also be using the excuse she is giving you a rest further bolstering her deluded madness for wanting to play mummy to your baby.

I suggest you tell her she would be best placed to take her man baby home and grow him up overnight then return him to you. That way she can flap over someone for an evening, he'll have a sleep and realise she is a lunatic.
Stick to your guns. 3 month old babies do not go for sleepovers

Absofrigginlootly · 03/05/2019 23:29

Again, unless a baby isn't being fully breast fed there is absolutely no reason why it should not be with its father equally with its mother.

I always see these arguments on MN and it’s a red herring. If a baby is exclusively BF they can’t be away from mum for extended periods no? Why is that? Why do you think nature has designed it that way? Because it is necessary and optimum for infant development (emotional, physical and neurological)..... being FF doesn’t actually alter those needs one jot. Just because they can be fed by someone else, doesn’t mean that they should.

The empirical evidence behind the concept of “the 4th trimester” is pretty clear about why infants need to be in almost constant contact with their mums 24/7 and this doesn’t just stop the second they hit 12 weeks. Humans are carrying mammals with an extremely protracted infancy. Infants are designed to need that constant maternal care. Mum and baby are physically and hormonally synced in a way that nonother family members are or will ever be. Those cultures that practice maternal-infant BFing and cosleeping for example have be lowest rates of sids. 3 months is also peek sids age and sleeping in the same room as parents (not MILs!) reduces the risk by half!!

I’ve never understood this seemingly western obsession with breaking down entirely normal maternal-infant bonds and trying to separate mums from babies.... or more importantly, babies from their mums!! You wouldn’t try it with a tiger because quite rightly she’d rip your head off. Human mums have the same instincts (that sick, panicky feeling) and these should be respected and encouraged, not fought against.

OP tell them to F**k off

Absofrigginlootly · 03/05/2019 23:33

X post with theWar

Agree 100%

zen1 · 03/05/2019 23:44

Don’t be beaten down by them OP. If your MIL has been like this since your DD was born, she is going to need some pretty firm boundaries put in place or she will be attempting to muscle in on all aspects of your DDs life as she grows older. It’s your baby and your MIL should not get a say in how she is parented. Also, your DH needs to stop putting his mum’s wishes ahead of those of his wife and the best interests of his child.

Hopeygoflightly · 03/05/2019 23:53

A hell no. A three month old baby needs one person only - its’ mum. The rest is superfluous and at that age my D.C. would have been overnight away from me in an emergency situ only, and the only one who would have had them without me would have been DW.

Hopeygoflightly · 03/05/2019 23:57

More to the point YOU don’t WANT to. You do t need a reason - your baby your rules, and your DH can do one, his only role right now is to support you and your child.

letsgooutstiiiiiiide · 04/05/2019 00:03

Don't let them beat you down OP. Talk to your GP or HV about PND. Talk to your DP about the 4th trimester, and tell him to read that Philippa Perry book mentioned upthread. Your MIL is batshit, so not sure what she should read - philippa perry seems too subtle for her.

My mother has alternately either refused to discuss/acknowledge my pregnancy/DS, or complained loudly to anyone who will listen that she "isn't wanted so won't intrude" or "isn't allowed to even go near him". She has never once offered any form of support, just bitchy criticism of me, him, my parenting. When he's been to my parents' house, the instant I've done anything like go to the loo or go into another room to get something, she has managed every single time to grab him and take him off to another room with as many closed doors between him and me as possible. I have gone and collected him quietly every time, and my mother has viciously spat criticisms at me as I walk back to where everyone else is. DS will never be babysat by her and will certainly never have overnights with her.

Don't let your MIL get away with it.

HippoSlug · 04/05/2019 00:04

I can totally relate, I had this from my MIL. She is a narcissistic person and her behaviour was extreme. My DH was in the FOG and I felt entirely on my own.

However, I did stand my ground and none of my children (now much older) have ever stayed with her overnight. Why? Because she destroyed her relationship with both me and eventually DH by never respecting our boundaries in those early years. It's such a sad thing, but she is entirely to blame (naturally she does not recognise that!).

Be strong, stand your ground. It will get better - if not soon, eventually.

KatharinaRosalie · 04/05/2019 08:55

At no point did I think that I was demanding to have her but can see that her mum could have interpreted it in that way.

So MIL sets up a full nursery and somehow ends up having just a few weeks old baby sleeping over in a way that could be 'interpreted' as a demand..

Rachie1973 · 04/05/2019 09:04

Lol I honestly never truly understand why the grandparents want the babies overnight so young!

I adore my GC but honestly my stomach contracts if the parents ask me to do an overnight before the kids sleep through. I’m selfish and enjoy my sleep!

7yo7yo · 04/05/2019 09:22

@Soontobe60
Just so you know, your dil probably detests you and your behaviour.

BertrandRussell · 04/05/2019 09:26

“Just so you know, your dil probably detests you and your behaviour.“

Fuck me, that’s a foul thing to say!

Absofrigginlootly · 04/05/2019 10:01

It’s probably true though Sad

I have a DS.... if I’m lucky enough to me a MIL in the future I would never act that way. Even if they offered me the baby overnight (I can’t imagine many new mums would willingly give up their newborns for a night away from them unless they were having problems bonding) I would refuse and offer them support if they were struggling. But always with the intention of keeping mum and baby together as a unit.

They don’t even separate mums and babies when mums are given prison sentences, what does that tell you?!

JellyBabiesSaveLives · 04/05/2019 10:12

Well Bertrand, if your read Soon’s post about how she behaved, and you read all the posts on this thread about women’s feelings towards MiLs who behaved like that - it’s a fair assumption, isn’t it?

GabriellaMontez · 04/05/2019 10:17

You're doing the right thing for your baby and you. Stay strong.

Your husband is being a very poor partner at this hard time.

echt · 04/05/2019 11:04

OP you have a DH, not a MIL problem.

So pissed off with MIL problems that are DH problems. Just like OW-blaming threads when it's the DH that needs their arse kicked.

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