Caroline Hirons

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Unpopular opinion but AIBU to think that she is talking rubbish? She was on This Morning showing us all how to wash our face and telling us how bad face wipes are. Apparently they just move make up around your face, which is wrong interesting.
Considering it is basically her job to flog skincare, of course she is going to try and tell everyone to ditch them.
Prepared to be told otherwise but maybe she's just been using the wrong wipes 😁

Not sure if the residue is causing damage, I’m no skin care expert, but I find it sticky, I feel like I’m wearing an extra layer on my skin, so I like to take it off, and water and a flannel just won’t do it.
Having said that, I only wear sun cream in the summer, but then I do slap it on, last year or was Anthelios in the small bottle.

t people managed for thousands of years just washing their face with water and a cloth.

That's your argument?

Seriously?

People managed for thousands of years without running water. Or antibiotics. Or mobile phones. And so on and so forth. I might also add that they managed without nasty cleansing wipes too. If that's your attitude, why not just 'wash' with plain water?

@ Whizzler

Definitely agree. Skin care is seen as a women's thing but a lot of men would really benefit from taking a bit more care of their skin, especially as they age.

@Alsohuman Pointless comparing with men because last time I looked the vast majority of them don't wear makeup. Nor are tiles skin. Some of the comparisons here would be hilarious if they weren't so desperate.

You seem quite angry and disbelieving at the fact that some women have really nice clear skin, even if they wear makeup, remove it with a wipe and don’t do anything else. Seeking out skincare products because you have a specific problem with your skin - fine!!!! Spouting that women who wear makeup HAVE to double cleanse and not use wipes or they’ll get bad skin = bullshit (you said this in your earlier post). And it’s not in denial or “desperate” to say so. I’m actually really bloody sick of being told what to do by other women, who in turn are just being told what to do by Loreals marketing department.

To be clear - if you have problem skin, absolutely buy products to try and improve it. But so many women have skin that’s absolutely fine with zip zero zilch done to it (even if they do wear makeup and take it off substandardly!) and actually no they don’t have to buy into these complex routines to have nice skin. You’re just parroting stuff that’s not true. And why do women have to look so bloody flawless all the time anyway.

Also to address the “men only have nice skin without cleansing because they don’t wear makeup” point - isnt that such a stupid argument , since lots of women (not all) wear makeup because they feel their skin isn’t nice enough to begin with?

@IcedPurple People managed for thousands of years without running water. Or antibiotics. Or mobile phones. And so on and so forth. I might also add that they managed without nasty cleansing wipes too. If that's your attitude, why not just 'wash' with plain water?

I do wash my face with plain water! And remove any makeup with a baby wipe, and I have lovely skin, thanks!! Unless you mean wash my body (genitals and armpits etc) with just plain water, which given they have more active sweat glands and secretions, I’m sure you can’t be equivocating them with my face... No one gets a stinky body odour face from washing it with just water and a flannel.

Really funny that you’re comparing western women studiously doing their double cleanse each night with the life saving invention of running water and antibiotics.

I do wash my face with plain water!

You can't 'wash' anything with plain water as it contains no cleansing agents.

And remove any makeup with a baby wipe

But why do you need a baby wipe? People managed for thousands of years without baby wipes!

Wow, someone is angry. And it’s not me.

@IcedPurple But why do you need a baby wipe? People managed for thousands of years without baby wipes!

Because I wear make up :) So I need to remove the makeup with a wipe. Sorry should have made that clear.

@Alsohuman I’m not angry at all. Hard to convey that online though.

I think the statement “all women who wear makeup have to remove it fastidiously and double clease or they’ll have terrible skin” is completely untrue. As evidenced by the many women who don’t do this, and still have nice skin.

And I think it’s an idea that’s pushed (really obviously so) by people with an agenda - skincare companies, influencers, beauty youtubers, beauty journalists, this woman on This Morning etc. That agenda generally being to make money off of women’s insecurities. I think blanket statements like SOME posters have made on the thread that women “need” to do this or their skin will be bad is really messed up and untrue and more unfair pressure on women. But everyone on this thread has so aggressively drunk the Koolaid re: skincare routines, so I clearly shouldn’t have bothered.

It seems a bit odd to slag people off for being in the thrall of L'Oréal's marketing department if you cheerfully wear makeup.

Getting you face clean doesn't strike me as a particularly controversial thing to recommend.

If face wipes work for you then fine, but they don't for many women. And given the environmental implications of disposable wipes I'm not sure why you're so proud of not considering face cloths personally.

Because I wear make up

But why?

People managed for thousands of years without wearing make up!

@PCohle I have a baby so have baby wipes in the house anyway, and I use one a day for my face. Are you environmentally perfect?

As for the rest of your post, I don’t really know how much more clear I can be :s But I’m so obviously not getting my point across. Yes I wear make up. I would never DREAM of telling another women that she has to wear makeup or her face/skin would look bad. So I hate that some women get away with saying to other women “you have to double cleanse and use xyz if you wear makeup or your skin will look bad”. It’s simply totally untrue. Do you understand what I’m saying?

Yes if you personally have problem-prone skin then you might want to use cleanser etc. But not every woman has to be beholden to this complicated and often expensive (and ever-changing) “evening skin routine”. I’ve already had posters suggest that I’m unclean and might as well not wash my body if I don’t use cleanser on my face. It’s just ridiculous.

I’d never say that women have to wear makeup, or have to shave their legs, or have to do anything to look good (just because I do it). So I don’t know why this myth about skincare routines is being perpetuated so aggressively recently as truth. It’s not true for every woman, being a lazy bad woman and using a face wipe is not necessarily going to destroy your skin... I feel like everyone’s just wilfully misunderstanding me at this point.

But no one is saying you HAVE to double cleanse. Of course that's untrue.

If you go to a skincare blog obviously they will give you advice about skincare, but that's all it is, advice. It's not a three line whip, just one person's opinion. Claiming that it's some kind of sexist personal attack seems odd.

And no of course I'm not environmentally perfect. But using a face cloth seems a really easy change. Of course how much the environment matters to you is a personal choice.

Excuse me @Overmoon, but you told me I was angry. I’m not the one ranting and using multiple exclamation marks. To be honest, you come across as a bit unhinged.

@PCohle.
But no one is saying you HAVE to double cleanse. Of course that's untrue.

“Baby wipes remove nothing... Those of us [who wear makeup] have to cleanse” is the comment I objected to (and lots of other people upthread saying wipes are grotty, and the poster saying I might as well not use soap on my body if I don’t use cleanser my face). Loads of posters have been reasonable and said “not all women, I’m just talking about my skin personally”. It’s the skincare evangelists making blanket statements which I think is super anti-feminist.

Wipes are grotty. May the sisterhood smite me down.

It won’t @Whizzler, I’ve been a feminist for nearly 50 years and agree with you - ineffective and environmentally destructive.

Why is it sexist though? People, of any gender, should (IMHO) clean their face just like they clean their body. If you wear make up or SPF that is likely to require some kind of cleansing product.

Make up is feminist issue here if you ask me, not cleanser.

One poster has said that baby wipes won't clean off make up properly. Sure maybe they should have caveated that with a whole load of "in my experience", "it is my view" nonsense, but failing to do so is hardly the crime of the century. Personally, I think they're probably right.

@Alsohuman I said “you seem quite angry and disbelieving at the fact... blah blah”. I’m sorry if that came across as me accusing you of being generally angry.

Tone really doesn’t come across online - I take an exclamation mark as adding lightheartedness/humour. But thanks for calling me unhinged. (Usually I would use an exclaimation mark there to show I’m being lighthearted, but no doubt that would make you think I’m even more unhinged).

As I said to you earlier - “That’s just your opinion, or what works for your skin, it’s not gospel.” That’s all I’m saying! It’s really crazy how badly you and others have reacted to that idea.

Some people want or need to cleanse or double cleanse, some people choose not to and still have perfectly nice skin. Telling women that if they wear makeup they HAVE to cleanse after or they’ll have bad skin, and washing your face with just water is dirty, and makeup wipes are lazy, is a tad mean and misleading. Can we not agree on that?

I still don't understand why people use wipes (to remove makeup) instead of water and a flannel and perhaps a cleanser of your choosing. Wipes are awful for the environment.

Incidentally I just cleaned out a finished glass bottle of foundation. Water alone does NOTHING to remove that.

I've seen posters advertising Simple's new biodegradable wipes. No idea how quickly they degrade compared to standard wipes.

It won’t @Whizzler, I’ve been a feminist for nearly 50 years and agree with you - ineffective and environmentally destructive.

I’m sorry, I have to bite. How exactly is one makeup wipe a day, going in the bin, more environmentally destructive than using plastic bottles of cleanser? It’s not.

No, we can’t agree on that. As I said right at the start of the thread I tested it. Full face of makeup, used a wipe which was filthy, then used a hot cloth cleanser which was almost as filthy. Wipes don’t remove makeup properly. Fact.

My cleanser doesn’t come in plastic bottles, it comes in recyclable tins.

Of course it does: I’m sure everyone else who’s started double cleansing and using toner and acid etc because of the increasing skincare trend has all their products in recyclable tins too. The whole trend of multiple —unnecessary— products is not environmentally unfriendly at all.

I reuse and then recycle any plastic bottles buy. I also use a cleanser from The Bodyshop which comes in a tin.

I believe wipes should only be available in the medical field, to disabled people or carers. There is no excuse for them in 2019.