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Could you stay friends with a sex offender? *potential trigger warning*

345 replies

Backinatic · 23/04/2019 10:53

Hypothetical scenario for you, which I've found myself in.

You make a friend and over a number of years become fairly close but they don't talk much about their past.

You then find out that this person was sent to prison for the rape of a woman some years before you knew them.

You had no idea they were that way inclined and now question your own judgement, understandably you look at them in a very different light.

Would you instantly go no contact and cut them off on the basis that they'd commited that crime? Would you tell them exactly why you no longer wanted to know them?

Or could you stay friends with somebody you knew was capable of such things even if they'd always been a good friend to you personally?

More of a WWYD really.

OP posts:
InadvertentlyBrilliant · 23/04/2019 12:59

@mummyhaschanged her name

"it could be he was 18 and she was 16"
The OP has already stated it was when he was in his 30s so old enough to know what he was doing was wrong.

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking · 23/04/2019 13:01

@AssassinatedBeauty did you miss the very first words I wrote ?? I'm only going to answer the headline Hmm

SteveTheSpiderPlant · 23/04/2019 13:01

On the face of the OP - No I could not remain friends with a sex offended, one who had served 9 years must have committed a particularly horrendous crime so even more so, I would certainly phase out the friendship.

But I am confused, if the person on the register has a different name and a different area, how do you know it is your friend. He could be a totally unrelated to this crime?

PlainSpeakingStraightTalking · 23/04/2019 13:01

"it could be he was 18 and she was 16"

Irrelevent as 16 is the age of consent.

InadvertentlyBrilliant · 23/04/2019 13:03

@1wildheartsease

"Can you be absolutely sure of the information about his conviction?"
The OP has already stated she is 100% sure of this.

RuffleCrow · 23/04/2019 13:05

I'm surprised you even have to ask tbh.

The amount of people cut off from prior friends and family for calling out narcisstic behaviour and standing up for themselves and yet cutting off a convicted rapist is somehow a big moral dilemma Hmm

RateThisState · 23/04/2019 13:05

Are you 100% sure it’s the same man? You said the surnames are different... you need to be completely and utterly sure it is definitely him before you accuse or tell anyone else. If it isn’t him then it could ruin his life. A man near me was accused of being a convicted peadophile and was severely beaten up and it was mistaken identity through a malicious misinformed private message sent via Facebook to his next door neighbour.

If it is him, I would just cut him out of my life. I don’t think I’d want to confront him if I was concerned he could turn nasty

pallisers · 23/04/2019 13:08

You have been so unlucky and have met some of the worst characters but this is simply not true. Of course there are good men, and not all men are rapists or abusers, far from it!

Yes but they don't come with a sign over their heads telling you which is which. They don't look a particular way or have particular jobs or have particular hobbies. Anyone can be a rapist and still look and sound and act like a decent guy on the surface. I think YetAnotherSurvivor made a really great point when she said that all of us (including herself) are probably friends with a rapist - we just don't know it.

OP, tell your husband. This is too big a piece of information to keep from him and no one should judge you for becoming friendly with someone who hid this from you.

SirVixofVixHall · 23/04/2019 13:08

If he served nine years then he would have probably been give a 15 year sentence. That suggests either multiple rapes, or extreme violence.
Be very careful with this man op.

lyralalala · 23/04/2019 13:08

This happened to my DH with a friend of his a few years ago. He got an anonymous message saying that Fred Smith was actually Fred Jones and he should look him up as he was a rapist.

Googling Fred Jones brought up the details of the case, and photographs, so it was easy to be 100% sure that they were the same person.

One thing to brace yourself for OP is any mututal friends who react in a way you don't expect. We even had one now ex friend who, despite the newspaper reports and lengthy sentence, declared that "It was years ago and he's always been fine with me". Another voiced some pretty horrendous views about what "proper rape" was (the man in question had raped someone he knew).

You might find the whirlwind relationship ended when he had to tell her. There might be conditions that he has to tell anyone he lives with about his conviction.

VanGoghsDog · 23/04/2019 13:08

I had a similar situation to this - a man I met on my degree course turned out to be a convicted prolific paedophile.

I cut contact with him as soon as I could (i.e. I couldn't stop going to the lectures). He hassled me by email for a while asking what was wrong (I didn't tell him I knew) and his emails became gradually more nasty. So, right decision (and I have no idea how his wife stays married to him).

I simply stopped responding to any contact from him.

pallisers · 23/04/2019 13:09

The amount of people cut off from prior friends and family for calling out narcisstic behaviour and standing up for themselves and yet cutting off a convicted rapist is somehow a big moral dilemma hmm

In fairness to the OP this wasn't what she posted - no moral dilemma for her she has already decided to cut the question - just a question about how to do it.

1Wildheartsease · 23/04/2019 13:09

OP says that she was ''contacted anonymously by somebody from this person past, on social media. They told me to look up a name which I did, and there it was. He's on a database under a different surname'

There seems room for doubt here InadvertentlyBrilliant
OP might have other evidence but it is worth being very very careful in case like this.

differentnameforthis · 23/04/2019 13:10

Rape apologists everywhere...

I would want more information ... I mean it could be he was 18 and she was 16 and in a relationship but because of ages it's rape ... it could be physical hold someone down at a park rape

All there, in the op's posts.

30yrs old
lied about why he was imprisoned
lied about length of sentance
changed his name
controlling behavior that concerns op

Did you read the sentencing guidelines posted by @PazRaz10

wouldn't trust a man outside my immediate family to babysit my children simply because of the appallingly high statistical incidence of male abuse of children. I understand your concern, but the reality is children are most likely to be abused by someone they know.

VanGoghsDog · 23/04/2019 13:11

It isnt illegal to change your name or move house.

Unless you are on the sex offenders' register.....

AnnaMagnani · 23/04/2019 13:11

This particular rapist has already attempted a cover up by moving area and using a false name and is now lying again about the length and reason for his sentence

Let's face it, if you had been in prison for rape, wouldn't you do this? Wouldn't you try and make a fresh start rather than be known as Fred the Rapist all the time? This in itself isn't the red flag.

I work in healthcare with a lot of sex offenders. When we started having them in non-prison setting there was a lot of upset for a while. And then we looked at our own pasts and realised at least these ones were convicted. All of us knew men who had done stuff, often just as bad, often in our own families, who had never even got never a police interview let alone a conviction. And that is the really depressing thing about rape and sex offending - those people who have been to prison are just the tip of an iceberg.

VanGoghsDog · 23/04/2019 13:12

wouldn't trust a man outside my immediate family to babysit my children simply because of the appallingly high statistical incidence of male abuse of children.

I understand your concern, but the reality is children are most likely to be abused by someone they know.

If he's babysitting he falls into the group of 'people the kids know', doesn't he?

YetAnotherSurvivor · 23/04/2019 13:13

Thank you Mirri, that’s precisely what I meant.

I know not all men are rapists. I just meant that having this idea that there are few obvious demented sexual predators on one hand and all the rest of the men are trustworthy fellows who’d never do such a thing, is dangerous and naive.

Another pp said this which is exactly right:
He was a ‘lovely’ person, kind, funny, ran marathons for cancer charity’s. Not all rapists look like monsters. Some of them are good looking, now accountants.

You don’t know which men are rapists and which men aren’t. Perpetuating the idea of the obvious sexual predator is so dangerous - this is why, when someone is accused, people say “he couldn’t possibly be a rapist - he is so nice, handsome, successful etc”. Any man who commits date or acquaintance rape has to come across as trustworthy to their victims. These men may not even think of themselves as rapists (eg “she didn’t actually say no, so it must have been fine”, “she wasn’t keen at first but then she got into it” etc). DH had this realisation when all the me too stuff happened - he realised that so many of the sex stories that men have recounted to him over the years were probably actually rapes, which is so disturbing.

If you ever saw the infamous Reddit “ask a rapist” thread, there were a few posts from men who obviously went out intending to drug and rape women, or intending to have sex without a woman’s consent. The rest were men who either only realised later that they had actually raped someone, or who were stunned when they were accused of rape despite the fact that their own account makes it clear they didn’t have consent. There was a study done a few years ago where men were asked if they’d ever raped someone and the majority said no. They were also asked if they’d ever engaged in sexual activity without the other person’s consent and a far greater number said yes.

This is the reality of the majority of rape and sexual offences, and the men guilty of these crimes (which is what they are) are seemingly normal guys with wide circles of friends who just didn’t happen to care much about the other person’s bodily autonomy on one or more occasions.

Now of course, those men are unlikely to have been imprisoned for nearly a decade for those incidents. But I am sure that most women have at least one man in her social or family circle who has sexually assaulted or raped a woman. That is not the same as saying that all men are rapists or all men are bad. The difficulty is telling the difference.

Backinatic · 23/04/2019 13:18

It's %100 him and true, I don't want to say where the information is indexed online as I wanted to (but am probably failing) for this post to remain as vague as possible so it's not recognised by him or somebody else.

9 years was the time served, not the sentence given. He is still on the sex offenders register.

The victim was an adult but there was aggravating factors contributing to the length of the sentence.

I think if I were to confront him in order to ascertain whether he is remorseful I'm unlikely to trust his response given how he has proven himself to be a practice liar and is going to say whatever he thinks I want to hear and will minimise his motives.

OP posts:
lickencivers · 23/04/2019 13:18

No way would I confront. I would slope away quietly.

Whatafustercluck · 23/04/2019 13:21

On the one hand, on principle I think that, at a state level, convicted criminals can be rehabilitated and I'm supportive of second chances when they've served their time.

But on a personal level, no, I couldn't reconcile myself to knowing that my friend had raped someone and just getting on with it. It would irredeemably change the way I viewed them. Similarly I could not be friends with someone who had abused or murdered a child. I'm aware that makes me somewhat of a hypocrite but it comes from having worked closely with a very nice, decent chap for several years, before he was jailed for 20 years for sexual abuse. I wouldn't piss on him of he was on fire.

lickencivers · 23/04/2019 13:21

As a PP has said, what’s the point of hearing him out. That’s been done by a judge and jury. Walk away. Vile people already found guilty don’t need a second chance. Their victims don’t get one.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/04/2019 13:21

It isn't illegal to change your name or move house

For most of us, no - but those on the sex offenders' register are rightly under greater restrictions, and while no expert in these matters I'm pretty sure they have to notify police of a change of address, and that changing names can be an offence if it's done to conceal a crime

Maybe the PPs who've worked in the field can advise on the above, but I have to wonder if the authorities are aware that this rapist's moved house at all

AssassinatedBeauty · 23/04/2019 13:23

I don't think it's necessary to try and find out if he is remorseful. It's enough just to state that you cannot remain friends with him because of his rape conviction. If you feel safe to do that. If not, then just don't respond, and tell anyone who might respond on your behalf (DH, other friends?) that you are no longer in contact with him.

YetAnotherSurvivor · 23/04/2019 13:23

Surely changing your name when you’re on the sexual offender’s register is not permitted? I’m not sure who you could report it to but I definitely would be looking into that.

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