To think that if a landlord evicts you ie makes you homeless to sell you shouldn't get stiffed for cleaning charges by the agent when you move out?

[Bleddry]

Clean your own house if you want to sell it you tightwad.

@Bleddry that post doesnt even make any sense in relation to my posts. I think you need to step away from the situation and calm down. Having a temper tantrum on the internet is hardly helpful

I thinkyou need to step away from my situation. I can't step away from a situation I'm in can I.

If you lose your home you're homeless

Not if you've got another one to go to you're not. Frustrating as having to move is, that's simply not how the definition of homelessness works

And how is what they paid for the place relevant when you freely agreed to pay the rent, just as you signed the tenancy documents which would have contained the requirement about cleaning?

Gamerchick LOL maybe jon is the landlord?

If you felt it was cleaned well and you've got photos to prove it then you should be able to dispute it via the tenancy deposit scheme.

Some landlords are awful and will take you for all they can get. It's just luck of the draw.

I live in and have lived in a lot of rental properties. I've found that a lot of times the tenants idea of a clean leaves a lot to be desired and because they're so used to the house they miss bits that new people wouldn't. So I can see why even after cleaning, it may still need a professional.

Take lots of photographs and an inventory to use as proof to the deposit protection service. LLs like that are one of the reasons it was brought in.

This. I take date stamped photos when I move. If I think the LLs are going to play up I make sure I have an independent witness. Last time I moved the LLs refused to give me a tenant reference. I got a professional carpet cleaner in so that I could have him as a witness, and a friend who helped me clean as a witness too. Despite not giving me the reference, I got the deposit back in full.

It is a horrible situation OP and I wish there were more security for tenants in this country. As it is, the rent I pay is more than many mortgages and paying it ensures I cannot save for a deposit, which I would need if I were to buy. And then people don't understand why you rent and assume all sorts of things about you.

Step away from the internet for a bit. I don't think you'll get what you want from this thread.

Was the property cleaned professionally before you moved in? If it was the ll is within their rights to get the house professionally cleaned if your cleaning has missed bits. You have signed a contract. The £100 won’t clean the entire house. Cleaners charge a minimum of £70 just for going out. This clean will be bits you missed.

Shitshit
I am a ll. It isn’t true all lls stiff tenants for cleaning costs. I recently gutted a house - new bathroom / kitchen etc. It was left pretty dirty. The only thing I charged for was the oven clean. It hasn’t been cleaned and was less than 2 years old. Why would I charge for cleaning sanitary wear, cupboards and carpets etc when they were going in the skip. My agent uses a professional inventory company, which does the check in and out. I could have demanded a heap of money I’m sure, including a good amount for a new lightbulb but I didn’t.

I am aware most will think it massively unreasonable but if the landlord booted me after being an excellent tenant, paying rent on time, improving the property etc to sell the house I would deliberately leave it filthy and take out any appliance/flooring/garden plants etc i bought myself.
I’d be happy to lose my deposit over it.

Yes it is the landlords property but I think people forget that it is also someone’s home and they will have work nearby, children in schools nearby etc and have been paying your mortgage for x years...

To boot a good tenant just because you fancy selling, I think it’s disgusting.

doggy I'm sorry but what?? You rent knowing it doesn't offer lifetime security and then would have the audacity to leave someone's property a shit hole when they want their property back? How long exactly must they have you there until you think ah actually I won't be a filthy sod and leave it a state?

Fucking hell no wonder I've had to pay such high deposits when there's folk like you.

What happens if the tenant gives notice - is that OK, it's only if the Landlord gives notice that is the problem?

Landlords don't have to uproot their kids and move house costing thousands when a tenant gives notice. Doggy yeah I kind of wish I hadn't bothered. I don't have time to go cleaning skirting boards for someone else to sell a house. Made me feel like a skivvy.

There’s a world of difference between “getting a property ready for a sale” and cleaning up after yourself having lived in the property. You’re obviously bitter you’ve been asked to leave. That does not negate your obligations to clean your own mess. The fact the landlord has chosen to sell their investment is irrelevant to you having created a mess.

Your comparison to the average owner occupier is not a fair one. The landlord wasn’t asking you to go above and beyond on a day to day basis.

£100 is a lot. A cleaner would charge £15 per hour. Offer to get one in.

There are some awful people on this thread.

My dad has a rental house, the tenant has been there for about 7 years, he has missed months of rent, he has paid late, he has kept pets which he shouldn't have, he has moved people in without checking. But my mum and dad have let him stay in the house because he has had a difficult few years - losing jobs and relationships etc.

My dad has cancer, he is fucking ill and has been dealing with all this stress on top of treatment.

Dad finally served notice because he is too ill to carry on with it, he had a the guilt trip from the tenant and his partner but persevered and finally the tenant left after spending a few days 'cleaning' - 6 of us and various tradespeople have had to try and sort out the mess he left behind. He left 6 old cupboards in the garage, full of bin bags and rotten food, insisting that they were there before he moved in. The house was completely empty except for the white goods. He got his deposit back because it's just too much for dad to deal with.

The man has cancer and he is dealing with all this shit, but you know, because he is a landlord he is clearly the scum of the earth.

Awful people.

*doggy I'm sorry but what?? You rent knowing it doesn't offer lifetime security and then would have the audacity to leave someone's property a shit hole when they want their property back? How long exactly must they have you there until you think ah actually I won't be a filthy sod and leave it a state?

Fucking hell no wonder I've had to pay such high deposits when there's folk like you.*

Firstly I didn’t actually state whether I personally rent or not, just that if I was a good tenant - on time rent/keep it clean/improve the property/give them no trouble blah blah that is what I would do if I was evicted for no good reason just because the landlord fancied selling.

I don’t think I’ll be the first or the last person to get angry at the blatant disregard for the welfare of others and obvious rich/poor divide.

I absolutely think that landlords should be mindful that tenants most likely are not as well off as they are and do actually have lives connecting to the home they are renting from you.
Lives that could actually be catastrophically impacted by your selfish desire for even more money.

Prequelle, if renters had the means to buy they would. It's not a choice many would make voluntarily, so to be evicted through no fault of your own because our laws make it so easy, is a depressing prospect. It's happened to me; I would wager it hasn't to you or many others on this thread.

Contest the deposit if you don't think it's fair, if you cleaned to inventory standard.

Our previous LL charged for things which were dirty when we moved in- we had to clean as EA had closed early for the weekend when we moved- and reported wear and tear. We contested and the DPS agreed with us.

Nobody is being asked to clean a property so someone else can sell it. What happens to it after you move out is irrelevant: the contract tenants sign stipulates that they'll return the property in the condition they took it in. That's what you'd ask of anyone.

If you lent someone your baby clothes once you were done having kids, would you accept them back dirty and stained because the friend you lent them to didn't want to do your laundry if you were only going to sell the clothes when she returned them? Or would you expect your property back in excellent condition even though your friend wouldn't be getting a cut when you sold them?

I wouldn't call 2 months notice followed by a four month wait for a court date, followed by a PO for 28 days followed by the tenant not moving out, followed by another month delay and another application this time for a warrant of possession before finally the bailiffs can go in, if you are lucky, 3 weeks later our laws making it easy . Please stop propagating this myth about easy possession because it isn't. I know this because I used to defend possession proceedings in the county court, and what some tenants do is horrendous, as what some landlords do out of ignorance and is sometimes just because they are not nice people. Stating on here that you will deliberately leave a property as a shithole is exactly the reason we have to have deposits in the first place, and why some people cannot rent a decent property.
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Stating on here that you will deliberately leave a property as a shithole is exactly the reason we have to have deposits in the first place, and why some people cannot rent a decent property

Your partly right on the first point but the reason why people cannot rent a decent property in the first place is more often because landlords are thinking of the money not the person and charge way over what the property is actually worth and way over often what people can actually afford and do everything they can within the property on the cheap...

I would like it to be easier for landlords to evict bad tenants but evicting good tenants who have done nothing wrong, I will never ever agree to that and lose no sleep over tenants that have been evicted in such circumstances and left the property a state for their selfish money grabbing landlords to fix.

No, the reason people cannot rent an affordable property is down to 40 years of government ignoring the houssing issues in this country. That is not the fault of private landllords.

I agree with you OP.

The Army were moving families into temporary accommodation because their blocks of flats were being thoroughly modernised, new bathrooms, kitchen, windows etc. However the families, ie the wife-of, had to go through the usual march-out, including crystal clear windows! For those who've never experienced a march-out, everything has to be beyond immaculate, eg a frying pan you'd used for years had to be pristine in the days they were provided, the underside of our cooker was examined for grease, thread was poked through locks and was expected to be clean!

To boot a good tenant just because you fancy selling, I think it’s disgusting

Unfortunately LLs are able to sell their assets, what with owning them and all