To think that if a landlord evicts you ie makes you homeless to sell you shouldn't get stiffed for cleaning charges by the agent when you move out?

[Bleddry]

Clean your own house if you want to sell it you tightwad.

Having been stiffed by a Flemish landlord, I entirely agree with Mull . They try it on for everything they can and then some. We may not be so stiffed this time as we are renting a house built in 1774, so a lot was written off when they did the incoming inventory. As we are leaving in Year 3 of a 9 year contract, we are liable for 1 extra month rent as compensation, plus whatever we get charged for this time.

Greyt, I didn’t sidestep anything. I want to know whether your use of “entitled” is specific to people who argue for curbs on landlords and on other owners of multiple houses. But it seems not. You agree with giving tenants greater rights.

So why is it entitled to want to further reform the housing market for the public good? What I’m suggesting is a pretty modest change really. And no one would be getting rich off others, just more likely to have a roof over their heads.

I disagree that multiple house ownership doesn’t contribute to housing shortages.

This thread plainly isn’t a tenants’ pile on. Most who’ve commented have been property owners. Even if it was, maybe the tenants would have good cause to be bitter.

dreaming

Whose names are the properties in? Are there trust arrangements?

@Smotheroffive

Greyt your arrogance about only those that work hard have the opportunity to buy

Where did u say "only"? I said thise that work hard, as you cant deny that some do work hard.

Your assertions continue to be gross and insulting
Again, what assertations?? The market conditions negatively affected me and my family for years. I had to scrimp and save and still do in order to have bought a house. Some have to work hard and some dont. Again, i never claimed to "be better". I simply said its unfair to throw anger towards hard working people, which is exactly what you are doing.

@Smotheroffive and @KissingInTheRain

You win. There is no point even attempting to discuss this with you both. You obviously have you mind set on attacking "the evil wealthy" (which, is not me as im not even close to being wealthy!) so im out. Going to hide the thread and let you go about vocalising your demands until the cows come home. Have a nice day

You obviously have you mind set on attacking "the evil wealthy"

Have you bothered to read what I’ve written? If so, please explain how what I’ve said is motivated by a hatred of wealth.

MullofKintire
I have lived in various European countries as a tenant. In my experience tenants in this country have it far better than abroad. For example dh and I left Belgium earlier than planned and dhs company had to pay (I believe) 3 months additional rent as a penalty for breaking the contract. That’s rent once we had left the property.

Moreover two lawyers inspected the house and provided a copy of the inventory. It was over 70 pages long detailing the state of the property. It is common in Belgium for tenants to be stiffed out of several thousands of pounds worth of damage at the end of the tenancy. As I’m fluent in French I spent 2 days correcting and adding to the inventory.

Our house was owned by the owner of a few jewellery shops selling very upmarket pieces. The owners could not have given a flying fuck about the property. Just the bottom line. And whatever they could make out of us when we left. Thanks to my amendments to the inventory, which the company accepted, the damages were only a few hundred pounds. But the bastards even charged us for touch up marks on the walls when I’d repainted the place from top to bottom - basically I’d touched up a few marks for us to make the house look nicer for us and as it wasn’t a premixed colour it was a slightly lighter shade. Apparently we couldn’t argue with this despite it covering up the distasteful canary yellow colour.

The only thing better abroad is longer tenancies with longer notice periods, which are the same for both ll and tenant and hefty penalties for tenants for breaking the contract. There are a lot of things, which are worse.

I think tenants here wouldn’t necessarily be happy to have to sign 3 or 9 year leases, give 3 months’ notice and pay hefty penalties if they left before the end of first 3 years? 🤷‍♀️ I also think tenants wouldn’t be happy to have to provide their own flooring or kitchen or redecorate the whole property (which may not have been touched for 20 plus years) as is often the norm in Germany. Yup lived there too.

kissing so you think it's perfectly ok for you to tell people they should stay in hotels instead?

Again, why shouldn't people spend their money how they like? They work hard enough for it. Owning and renting another house, is not evil. It's a wise investment

After all, if landlords were no longer to BTL, where do you suggest all is tenants live?

I think it’s perfectly OK to propose legislative change with a view to doing something about homelessness and housing insecurity.

People of course have different views. I get that. But as I said before there are already many restrictions and obligations that come with real property ownership. I’m suggesting something further.

If it’s the city working example you have in mind particularly, could I ask what you think the vast majority of people in that position, who don’t own a second property and live well away from their work, would do? I imagine you’d answer that they’d be put up by their employer in a hotel.

There are 5.5m private lets in the UK. Some of those would continue under new terms because the landlords would be decent and committed long-term providers. Others would sell up because they wouldn’t want the additional responsibilities. That would release a lot of housing. That housing could be bought by owner occupiers or used for social housing.

I don’t overlook the fact that the market would need very careful handling and change would doubtless have to be gradual. But the need to do something about provision, security and access is universally recognised.

That nice greyt accuse.people.of not working hard enough and their fault for being somehow inadequate and then just go fuck off you bullies!

Jeez...pfft

The govt are current reviewing g lls /tenants rights and having 'valid' reason for selling your rental.home from under you.

It is far too easy to make money letting out a house,it does needing serious commit.ent from lls and they should have to have checks done into them to become.e registered lls rather than the crims that are out there fleecing tenants and causing illness and poor mental health as a result of their treatment

A lls register, giving a clean bill of health for lls and guidelines to stick to.

Did anybody watch Nightmare Landlords on channel 4 dispatches.

Spoiler the LL was Shelter... an affordable housing provider. Grass isn’t always greener. You’ll know they aren’t accountable in the same way private landlords are.

@Kissing
Don't you understand that not everyone who rents wants a long term let?
We need different types of rental properties, short term, long term, social and private.
I agree there is a shortage of social housing available but think a lot is currently stuck with tenants living in council properties when they no longer need to.

I've nothing at all against increased regulations, in fact it's a good thing. Two months notice might be fine for a single person for example, with few commitments or ties, who doesn't mind going into a shared house. Two months is probably not enough for a family of 4 who need to consider transport/location for mums hospital appointments and children's schools.
Stricter legislation and checking would be good. As someone rightly pointed out, tenants have thorough checks done on them so why shouldn't LLs?

I don't like the idea of banning landlords from owning more than one property though. I think it borders on too much involvement in others lives and more importantly, would reduce the amount of landlords out there. Some would say that's a good thing, but the reduction in LLs leads to a reduction in rents available.

I do think that there's different types of tenants. Not everyone is waiting in hope of owning a home while being deprived by LLs. Some people are quite happy to rent. Me for example. I'm young, have little commitments and am not yet sure what I want to do with life.
I do know that I hate settling or staying in one place too long, and as I'm still starting out im not looking to limit my opportunities by area. I'm moving away in a few weeks for a new job. I doubt I'll still be in that city in 5yrs time. So renting is the perfect option for me.

Re the London example. I do get where you're coming from, that others would go to a hotel. That said, if you have the money to do so then why not buy a flat? It's convenient for the DH but I doubt that was the main reason for the purchase. More that it will provide financial security in the future. If it also doubles as a crash pad for DH what's the problem?

I have an issue with LLs owing ten plus houses, usually in not nice areas, and renting them at stupid prices. I have an issue with them not maintaining the building properly.

But they're in a different league to the London example. Where they may in a few years rent the flat, if DH moves jobs. They're not buying properties by the handful and maintaining them awfully. They'd be doing something that benefits both parties. LL has an income, tenant has accomodation

Job relocated so had to move long distance
Decided to rent out my home ( not a BTL)
Whole of inside painted by myself & cleaned
New floor installed
Electric safety checks completed
Garden tidied & rubbish removed
Insurance paid
Letting agents sourced
Any appliances that have failed have been replaced quickly
I anticipate that my job may relocate again in the future & I may need to sell
Please do not tar all LL as bad, it is untrue

I don’t think all landlords, or even most probably, are bad. Some will be though, and possibly many.

But my objection to the way the market works isn’t personal. I don’t think BTL and other provision by casual landlords would be a good thing even if all small landlords were reasonable and conscientious.

By the way, do you rent where you’ve relocated? And does your employer assist with housing costs, on whatever basis the housing was obtained?

I'm afraid leaving it clean is in any standard rental contract so you haven't got a leg to stand on OP. (I used to work in Lettings).