To think that if a landlord evicts you ie makes you homeless to sell you shouldn't get stiffed for cleaning charges by the agent when you move out?

[Bleddry]

Clean your own house if you want to sell it you tightwad.

Why did you buy a flat for your husband to stay in now and again? Why doesn’t he stay in a hotel? Would it have anything to do with investment potential and making money out of unnecessary property speculation?

He regularly doesn't know how late he's going to need to stay at work. He works in a fast-paced profession where things can change rapidly. The last thing he'd want is having to try to find a hotel room at 1am in the morning.

Besides, often he'll end up staying there the entire working week. Why should we have to pour money down the drain renting somewhere or paying hotel fees when we can simply put the money into a flat that will hold its value? That's our money, that we've worked hard for, to live off during our retirement.

@Halija

Don’t justify yourself. Kissing donates all her income to charity, despite any children or family she might need to support and lives off organic home grown vegetables. Vegetable patches situated in greedy landlords gardens. She delivers surplus on a unicorn to the less fortunate (aka anyone in rented accommodation, which ironically at one time included me...)

Yes, that’s exactly how I live.🙄

I just have a view on the housing crisis and steps we should take to do something about it.

As for working in London, I have known many people who work in the city or for law firms etc and who can have to work very late. Apart from a partner in a law firm who told me her firm provided sleeping rooms at work, I can’t recall a single one who didn’t stay in a hotel paid for by the employer.

And, Halija, you could of course move to London so that your husband could get a cab home.

If multiple property ownership was banned there would be plenty of alternatives. No doubt there would be reasonable exceptions too, but I don’t think city crash pads would qualify.

Why is staying in a hotel better, Kissing?

All the hotels can be converted to flats and used for housing? Why line the pockets of the capitalist swines who own the hotels?

Funny you should say that, Chardonnay. Many cities have for example taken action over Airbnb because it drains the rental market. New York’s done it - that hotbed of commie dictatorship!

It’s another example of intervention in the housing market for the general good. But I think we can put up with hotels.

don't forget to report your landlord to HMRC ...

Amazing isn't it? I'm the first to accept that everyone should pay their dues, but on this forum practically any other type of reporting is damned as "none of your (insert obscenity) business"

Except when it's landlords, apparently

@ChardonnaysPrettySister

That’s a good point. I dare say the hotel tycoons of the London market profit considerably more than the average private landlord...

I have no trouble agreeing with that Puzzled. I don’t know why MN is so against ‘dobbing in’. We should all pull our weight honestly.

If multiple property ownership was banned there would be plenty of alternatives. No doubt there would be reasonable exceptions too, but I don’t think city crash pads would qualify.

Why should we live in London? It’s polluted and I’d rather my children kept their nice clean lungs thanks.

Our family pays over half a million in income tax every year. How many council houses do you reckon we fund personally around the country?

What we do with the rest of our money is our business.

Our family pays over half a million in income tax every year.

A nice house in a leafy, unpolluted part of London shouldn’t be a problem then.

Our family pays over half a million in income tax every year. How many council houses do you reckon we fund personally around the country?

An interesting point, Halija. I often mention the proportion of overall tax that's contributed by the wealthiest 20%, and of course there's rarely any answer - just more spite, envy and rancour

And that's exactly my point, Kissing. So happy we agree!

So PP's husband is not using AirBnB which is a drain on resources and that's a good thing.

Why are we putting up with hotels Kissing?

But I’ve said nothing against wealth! I’m just saying that however wealthy you are there should still be a ban on owning more than one property - unless you’re in the business of providing housing to tenants on terms much stricter than exist now.

I don’t care if Halija’s husband is taken home every night in a jewel encrusted sedan chair.

I’m not sure what point you’re making Chardonnay. Hotels - of the sort that well off late working city workers would stay in - aren’t part of the housing market.

Other hotels and hostels already do take in otherwise homeless people.

If all you’re getting at is that there are buildings that could be used to house people that’s true. But it’s not an argument against banning multiple home ownership. I’m all for house building, but it’s failed to deal with the problem so far.

The housing crisis isn’t just about houses being occupied, or owned, by people with more than one property. It’s largely a lack of funding from local authority to pay for services. So the pp’s post re taxes is completely relevant. There’s a whole bigger picture you’re completely failing to recognise that forms part of “housing.”

I don’t really know why I’m continuing to comment. I just find your narrow minded view astonishing. It’s like arguing that leaving the lights on won’t use contribute to global warming.

Well, there are certainly other things that can be done as well.

And since you highlight local government resources I assume you’d be in favour of, say, strongly increased taxes to pay for that. I wouldn’t. My view is that over-taxing the private sector is counterproductive.

So other measures to help with homelessness and housing insecurity would be preferable. Some would be in the form of controls over landlords’ freedoms to operate. Others would be intervention to bring more housing stock onto the open market.

I understand the impulse of those with plenty of money to want more of things and to make a life more comfortable. And that’s fine. Just not in a way that perpetuates housing problems.

I can't believe @KissingInTheRain is demanding people should uproot their families to London simply to avoid owning a 2nd property or that someone wander around at 1am looking for a last minute hotel room-absolutely thoughtless suggestions. Their money, their choice.

My previous point still stands. This thread is simply a pile on from tenants who are misdirecting their anger. It just gets more ridiculous by the page.

I understand the impulse of those with plenty of money to want more of things and to make a life more comfortable. And that’s fine. Just not in a way that perpetuates housing problems.

So people who worked for their money, planned their future and as a result have achieved what they wanted to in life shouldn't spend their money the way they want because of the housing problem, which isn't their fault? That's an impressive display of entitlement, Kissing.

What’s your view on the government’s recent announcement about ending s.21 evictions, Greyt?

kissing oh do fuck off. Who do you think you are exactly, to tell someone they should move to London and how dare they own a second property. They work hard enough for their money. They pay enough bloody tax on it. Why the hell shouldn't they enjoy the rest, just out of some misguided view of altruism?

Thank you for that important contribution.

@KissingInTheRain well im not a landlord or a tenant so it doesnt effect me but my opinion is that landlords should be able to evict if they wish to sell as the house is theirs at the end of they day. But i feel there should be a longer legal notice period to allow tenants enough time to find accommodation.
Good job side stepping my actual points.

so would it be a ban on owning more than one property per person or owning one per family kissing? we own 3 houses but there are 5 of us? is that OK? surely that's less people per house owned than one person owning one?

Greyt your arrogance about only those that work hard have the opportunity to buy.

It's really ignorant and insulting.

It's market conditions and bears no resemblance to they way you speak. The market exlcudes most now,and has nothing to do with how much better you are than everyone else! Your assertions continue to be gross and insulting