To think that if a landlord evicts you ie makes you homeless to sell you shouldn't get stiffed for cleaning charges by the agent when you move out?

[Bleddry]

Clean your own house if you want to sell it you tightwad.

That's interesting, Foxmuffin - I'm in much the same position, except that my own disabled son already lives semi-independently with carers going in. I used an inheritance to buy the little place he now rents because the previous was poorly maintained by the LLs (who charged over twice the going rate by exploiting a loophole around "extra services" they were supposed to provide to disabled tenants but didn't)

So the LA are happy because they're saving 70% of what they used to pay, my son's happy because he has a safe, comfortable home and I'm happy because I have a modest return on the rental ... but no doubt I'm just another unprincipled LL who should have handed the whole thing over to the state instead of taking the initiative and sorting something which works better for everyone

Halija

Why did you buy a flat for your husband to stay in now and again? Why doesn’t he stay in a hotel?

Would it have anything to do with investment potential and making money out of unnecessary property speculation?

I do believe in liberty, very strongly as it happens. But I also believe in curbs on behaviour in the public interest.

Imposing limits on property is tyranny. Do you think your next door neighbour should be able to ignore planning laws and build anything they like to overshadow, overlook and blight your property? Even though they’ve worked hard for every penny they have? No? What a terrible imposition on their liberty!

Owning multiple properties does badly affect others’ lives, just not so directly.

Nobody is talking about ignoring laws. Those LL who have commented on this post are acting inside them. Your comparison to a neighbour flouting the law is irrelevant.

@Puzzledandpissedoff
I’m glad you found a good middle ground for your son. With the cuts etc it’s a pretty scary prospect that our vulnerable Children’s future might be left entirely in the hands of the state.

Your comparison to a neighbour flouting the law is irrelevant.

No it isn’t. If the poster believes in unrestrained liberty for the acquisition and use of property they presumably object to planning laws, or at least wouldn’t see fit to object.

Anyway, I’ve been arguing for a change in the law. Which is what Halija opposes on the basis of interference with her liberty.

it’s a pretty scary prospect that our vulnerable Children’s future might be left entirely in the hands of the state

Absolutely - which is why I was keen to get suitable housing in place while I'm still around to influence things, rather than leaving everything to everyone else

There's sometimes a worrying assumption that the state will make better decisions for us than we can for ourselves, and I'm afraid that's something I'll never accept

Honestly don’t give a toss about the woes of LLs. Woe is me, I own too many properties and have to let them! Lol. We don’t have deposit schemes here, so LLs do what they want with it unless you’re able to take them to court.

Our last private LL left us months with no working boiler, denied there was a problem. Meanwhile the extractor fan in the kitchen was pumping damp hot air into the attic, destroying ££££ of our stuff with condensation and mould. In the end we figured they were so shite they were going to keep the deposit anyway so left our unwanted stuff there for him to sort out - might as well get your money’s worth.

If the poster believes in liberty for the acquisition and use of property they presumably object to planning laws, or at least wouldn’t see fit to object.

So many flaws in that logic. Why do the acquisition and use of property get lumped together? Most lls wouldn’t want to set their rental homes up as a crack den or brothel for example. And why would the owner of more than one property be ok with a neighbour flouting planning laws??

The majority of lls own one rental property. Price inflation for the most part wasn’t caused by these people. It was largely created by the super rich predominantly overseas “investors”. London was targeted a few years ago as a money laundering base. Then there are empty nesters sitting in large houses unwilling to move creating a bottle neck further down the market and pushing prices up in that bracket

However you’d have it that inflated prices are all the fault of sue down the road, who lived frugally for 8 years to scrape together a deposit for a second property and who would happily build a high rise in her back garden.

Your arguments are increasingly barmy.

Your arguments are increasingly barmy.

They’re increasingly sensible. And being enacted. Read the news.

The news doesn’t support your logic kissing. You’ve argued tenants should have more rights, ok that’s reflected in the news. But then you’ve gone off on a tangent in how you think that could be achieved. That is not in the news. That’s all in your head.

This thread is ridiculous. Its just a pile on thread of tenants who are unfortunately unable to get onto the property ladder for one reason or another so they take their anger out on those who worked hard and were able to invest in property buy suggesting OTT laws. Some PP demanded they should have a "right to buy", people shouldnt be allowed to own more than 1 property and that tenants should get 1 year notice period?! And dont even get me started on the insults....
I cant believe the sense of entitlement on this thread. Maybe instead of misdirecting your anger, some of you should put that energy into improving your own housing situations.

Its just a pile on thread of tenants who are unfortunately unable to get onto the property ladder for one reason or another so they take their anger out on those who worked hard and were able to invest in property buy suggesting OTT laws.

This thread just demonstrates the appalling defensiveness and lack of social conscience of so many BTL and other private landlords. Not all, of course - Handsoff seems to be a wonderful and sensible landlord for example.

The unwillingness to admit that there is a basic human need that multiple home ownership denies is amazing. And depressing.

The unwillingness to admit that there is a basic human need that multiple home ownership denies is amazing. And depressing.

Thats really not whats happening. But your bitterness towards those who worked hard to own property seems to be clouding your ability in making rational points.

on those who worked hard and were able to invest in property
I resent the arrogance and bullshit in this statement. Like those who have property somehow worked harder bollox.

It is an utter bollox statement,and I am a ll.

Fucking shite snobbery, that you are somehow better and worked harder.

So people who invest and have money were just given it? To earn enough money to do that their is an aspect of working hard. And i never said "work harder".

Fyi im not a ll. I only own the one property i live in. This was after saving like crazy whilst renting for years and i didnt get any financial help either.

@Smotheroffive nobidy said anything about being better or working harder. Dont put words in my mouth.

I copied and pasted actually YOUR actual words, so I'm not putting anything IN your mouth, they came OUT of your mouth and obto this thread.

So don't tell me I'm making up shit.

I'd challenge it (maybe without the swearing😂).
A landlord told me they were keeping half my deposit to sort out the garden. I explained that I had hired a skip (at considerable cost) and removed all the rubble and weds from the garden and then spent money on new turf to replace the weedy grass there, safely cut back the ivy which had threatened the brickwork and pruned an overgrown tree. I had been an excellent tenant and they backed down once they realised I wasn't going to accept quietly. I didn't shout and moan, but did the telephone equivalent of fixing my beady gaze apon them.
Best of luck.

The issue is housing policy and the right of people to a secure and decent place to live.

Nobody wants to stop people earning or investing money. Just they way they might do it.

OP, don't forget to report your landlord to HMRC just in case they haven't been declaring the rental income and want to now avoid capital gains tax!

Tenants have similar rights in much of Europe - though it is not as clear cut as some on here suggest.

The flip side is that they also have more responsibilities - so for example replacement of ovens, white goods, light fittings, minor plumbing repairs etc - are paid for bythe tenant not the landlord. In Germany tenants are often asked to supply their own kitchen (including cupboards etc) and they take it with them when they keave. This latter is often used by landlords to weed out tenants who do not intend to stay for the duration.

I see some are still demanding free unicorns. Meanwhile in the real world ...

I do think leaving the tenancy is more than a quick run a round with a vacuum and a duster, but neither should it be expected to be floors you can eat your dinner off.

The problem is "clean" can be a subjective thing and used to rip people off.

Is it direct, or with an agent? I'd be asking for a written report, including photos, of what they believe isn't clean.

@Smotheroffive if YOU look back on MY post YOU will see i said the words "Worked hard" NOT "worked harder". Would you like me to copy and past my words and then yours to show you? Reading comprehension goes a long way.

Again, in Europe, where the tenancies are longer, the end of tenancy procedure is long, drawn out and usually involves both tenant and landlord employing their own independent experts for the day of the move in and the move out to protect their interests. This is expensive.
In Belgium - one of the more notorious jurisdictions - the etat des lieux - can involve the tenant having to finance x% of the cost of redecoration, replacing parquet flooring, carpetting, bathroom fixtures etc. Tenants are particularly badly hit if they move out after 3 years (one form of contract) rather than 9 years (the standard contract). If they wish to move out before the end of their tenancy they also have to pay x months of extra rent to the landlord - depends on the number of years still left to run.