To ask what Leavers are still hoping for from Brexit

[Bearbehind]

So we’ve failed twice to actually leave the EU on the dates specified which has hopefully proved that we will never leave without a deal.

Therefore the only option is to leave with a worse deal, or just give the whole thing up as a bad idea.

What do Leavers think can be salvaged from this epic mess?

sunshine TM told everyone that ‘no deal was better than a bad deal’

She lied - yet you are still quoting politicians as knowing it will all be fine.

No deal is never going to happen.

It doesn’t matter who tells you it will be fine, deep down it’s only the disaster capitalist that wanted it because they would clean up.

So back to my question, given that no deal is not going to happen, WTF is the point of leaving?

I disagree I think no deal will happen. Either through default or by change of Tory leader

So how do you explain the fact it hasn’t happened, on 2 occasions, already?

Because lots of people, MPs included, would rather Leave the EU with a deal. So whilst the MPs continue to thrash out what deal they can agree on (whether or not the EU will also agree is another matter) the UK has asked for an extension on both occasions.

That's why it hasn't happened yet.

And it’s why no deal will never happen - because MPs know it will destroy the economy leaving without a deal.

Revoke will happen before no deal does.

The new Tory line up to lead are all ok with no deal

Revoke will never happen

sunshine that is complete bollocks.

MP’s have their own vote and voted against no deal by a huge majority.

No matter who is PM, they are not going to change their view on that.

As I’ve said many times on this thread - the problem here is a refusal to accept facts and reality.

I’m not saying revoke will definitely happen, only that it would happen before no deal did.

And as any other deal is worse than what we already have, revoke actually makes the most sense.

Whilst I prefer WA and an orderly 'transitional' Brexit - never say never - never No Deal nor never Revoke; and sunshine has a point it depends on who replaces TM and it's quite likely to be a hard-Brexiter too.

it depends on who replaces TM and it's quite likely to be a hard-Brexiter too

What difference will that make?

The ERG have tried holding TM to ransom and it didn’t work - there’s not enough support for their views.

Most of the hard Brexiteers are spineless wonders anyway and they know exactly how bad no deal would be so they know they’d lose support in the party.

They want someone else to pull the trigger so that they can make money out of it.

The difference will be an ability to solidify support in a specific direction - quite probably with a more hardened approach to any negotiations with the EU.

The real problem Bear is that people are so uncompromising in accommodating other viewpoints so they become steadfast and repetitive in their mindset.

quite probably with a more hardened approach to any negotiations with the EU.

hate what part of the fact the EU cannot offer anything else given TMs red lines, do you not understand?

It is this complete refusal to accept reality which is the problem here.

They cannot offer the UK a more preferential deal than any other ‘third country’ under the WTO rules.

What will it take for this to sink in?

Bear your overuse of the word fact is becoming a bit tiresome. Where did I say the EU would offer anything else, if anything, I inferred that they wouldn't.

Although I do note that, in the usual remain-bottish mindset terms, you are questioning my ability to understand. How steadfast of you, to stick to the mantra constantly, although it does prevent you from opening your mind up to any other options than you think you already know about.

PMSL, that says it all.

Facts are tiresome 😂

hate please tell me what you think a more hardened approach to any negotiations with the EU will achieve?

My hope is the remainders stop throwing their rattle out of the pram

Probably No Deal Bear. I'm actually a WA-supporter, so don't be havin a go at me if a Hard-Brexiteer Tory becomes PM and No Deal happens.

And your describing yourself as being the provider of facts is tiresome, not facts in themselves. Have you seriously wet yourself? Have you no self-control?

And thanks for Remsplaining everything for us..........bwahahahaha - I knew I'd get that in again, you walked right into it.

And it’s why no deal will never happen - because MPs know it will destroy the economy leaving without a deal.

And they don't want their party to be the one to get the blame. They'd pin it on the LibDems, SNP, PC or Greens if they could, but that's not possible.

Hate. Implied. Not inferred. Fact - 'tiresome'. God alive.

Ahhhh the remsplaining comment.....

What this means is "explaining" something leavers appear to be terrified of it as a concept.

Explaining is used as a term of hate to be linked with other awful words like debate, argument and fact.

Happy to be a remsplainer. I will remsplaine or explain or discuss or anything you want. What I won't do is shut down debate by calling people names.

Sometimes hate is not good enough and you need to argue and explain.

Thanks for the grammar lesson long - always good to know a little bit more each day I say.

So God is a Fact and Alive too? I never knew that either.

Many many politicians are happy with no deal - these have way more facts than you and others do

These would be the same MPs that had to call trade experts in a few days ago to explain customs unions to them - nearly 3 years in?

hate it appears to be you who has thrown their toys out of the pram here.

If you want to dispute any facts then crack on, but moaning just because they are facts is more than a little ridiculous.

Back to my question - what do you think can be negiotiated with the EU that hasn’t already?