Do you think there will be a 2nd referendum?

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Many of my friends and acquaintances seem to think so. I still think it's unlikely.

Walkingdeadfangirl, how do you envisage there being 2 remain options?

I'd be happy with a referendum as long as no deal wasn't an option

Right... so the seventeen and a half million people who voted to leave should have their vote nullified because the PM was incompetent. Ok.

Remainers votes would also have been nullified - fair deal all around.

Anyways, how's your leaving going ?

No. The Will Of The People, etc... regardless of the fact that the Leave campaign cheated, & that it's now becoming painfully obvious that leaving the EU is much more difficult than they made out. If it weren't, we'd be out already, with fabulous new trade deals. Not still wondering what the hell is going on & when / if we are going to lose our current trade deals. No-one bloody knows.

I hope not, I didn't vote but I'd be mighty pissed off if I had voted either way.
I don't see how there can be another one, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I know people who believe it's all a put up job anyway and we aren't going to leave for some reason gov will make up.
It's interesting what others think about Brexit, if you listen.
It goes from the downright sensible to the sublime and incomprehension.

Brexit bingo again ‘the elite’, ‘project fear’, ‘democracy is dead’

I'm beginning to think there will be. It's only one possible solution. Revoke would be a better one, quicker and more decisive, faster moving on to all the necessary dealing with the flak. Hopeful for either, as a long extension makes either more likely. IMHO.

And as part of Brexit bingo....

Democracy is a complex nuanced idea that does not involve the majority always winning on the narrowest margin.

Many democracies have built in super majorities for major changes and checks and balances designed to stop unsafe policies being pushed through legislatures.

Winning one referendum on such a contentious issue does not mean does not mean you have the absolute right to push it through and if not democracy dies.

Remainers votes would also have been nullified - fair deal all around

Not sure if you are joking or just actually bonkers...

I don’t think 1,269,501 million people is a small margin though.

A small margin as a percentage.

Because we use percentages when dealing with numbers on a population level.

I expect there will be a long extension and it will become increasingly apparent that Brexit remains undeliverable. With any luck Article 50 will be revoked.

I’ve not changed my vote. You lost. Should we do a third, fourth, fifth?

Could you run that by TM please - is it 3 times she's had a vote on the exact same thing to get a result she wants?

To answer the OP, on a 2nd ref I'm not sure, but I don't think we will ever come out of the EU - ref or not. If voting really made a difference it would be illegal.

In the US a two third majority is required in both houses of Congress to change the Constitution.

Denmark requires a five-sixths majority in the Folketing for issues impacting on sovereignty.

Double majorities are used in lots of countries.

Making a significant change to a country based on a simple majority is not possible in most democracies.

Democracy does not = the majority always gets its own way.

I don’t want a 2nd referendum - if there is one it will be an affront to democracy if remain is an option. The 2 options should be May’s deal or no deal. I vited remain last time - this time no deal

Could you run that by TM please - is it 3 times she's had a vote on the exact same thing to get a result she wants?

I didn’t ask her too. It’s because she is clearly incapable

Right... so the seventeen and a half million people who voted to leave should have their vote nullified because the PM was incompetent. Ok

Well...yes.

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Yes there could be a second referendum

no it isn't and affront to democracy

It could be yes/no again or it could be several stages.

It could be FPTP it could be AV.

I’m sick of hearing all these ‘we all voted to Leave, that means we all want NO DEAL’ comments being thrown around.

In the 2017 GE, less than half of voters voted for parties who were even prepared to leave the EU wiht no deal, and that’s assuming that EVERY conservative voter was happy with no deal.

If a soft Brexit is such a big issue to leave voters now, why did so many vote Labour in 2017?

Referendum more likely than revoke. I think 2nd ref becomes more likely every day.

I’m not convinced.

I think a long delay much more likely with a revocation of Article 50 further down the line.

This does not end or negate democracy.

Is democracy about looking to the past, or future ?

I didn’t ask her too. It’s because she is clearly incapable

Fair point. I just always found it amusing that for nigh on 3 years we've had the "Brexit means Brexit" then go and watch her keep having votes on the same thing as she wants a different result.

In all honestly most people who voted leave didn’t have a clue what they were voting for.
And I think if it was put to the people again with true information and not lies we would have a different result.
The call was way too close anyway, yes 52% is majority but barely just....
It’s a joke, it’s shambles and the world is laughing at us. And I can’t blame them