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To refuse to lend my friend money?

282 replies

Jenasaurus · 09/04/2019 15:31

I met my friend a year ago, we worked together and clicked, she is in her late 30s and I’m in my early 50s, she lives with her DH and DS many miles from both their families and I got the feeling she say me as a sort of fill in mum. I babysat for her DS, who even called me Nannyjenasauraus. We spent most lunch times together at work and confided in each other about lots of things. Things however have changed since my DM died last year.

I have inherited a large sum of money and this seems to have caused an issue between my friend and I. My friend has just purchased a brand new 4 bedroomed detached house in a nice area, her DS goes to an expensive nursery and her DH earns over 50K a year but she has recently started asking to borrow money from me.

She has left the place we both worked at and now has a well-paid job close to where she lives. We met a couple of months ago for a meal and she brought up that it was my pay day the following day, she asked if she could borrow £100 as she was going away at the weekend and hadn’t budgeted correctly, she promised to pay me back when she got paid 4 days later…but her pay day came and went and no money arrived.
I wrote this off, but then she asked me for £13,000 and said she would pay me back. She had a loan and was paying a lot of interest on it, so she wanted me to pay it off and instead she would pay me a monthly amount. I said I wasn’t sure as I have most of my money tied up and have 3 grown up children who I wanted to be able to help financially with house moves etc. She then asked for a lesser amount of £3500 and would repay me at £20 a month.
I kept avoiding the subject and in the end blocked her number and on social media as it was awkward and embarrassing. I did/do like her and before I had this inheritance our relationship was lovely. Anyway she managed to contact me by work email and said she hoped she hadn’t upset me and that she missed me. So I started chatting to her again and unblocked her number etc…now today, she has said “I hate to ask but you have always been so good to me before, I am unable to extend my overdraft and I desperately need some money”…I was amazed, 1 couple of days in and she is back to asking for money again! Should I just walk away or tell her in plain terms that I am unable to lend her any money. She did repay £25 of the £100 I lent her in the end but I wouldn’t have minded her keeping that to help her out, but it was a red flag if she can’t repay a £100 how could she repay £3000+?
Despite the inheritance I only early £20k a year and live alone, so really can’t give away the money my mum left me, I really believe my mum would want this to benefit her grandchildren and be upset if I lent it like this.
So as not to drip feed, my friend told me a lot of information about her life, including the fact her DH smokes a packet of cigarettes a day and a bottle of wine a night, in addition when the purchased their home my friend immediately paid out to get all the hallway retiled despite it being brand new and freshly decorated, this is one of the reasons I was hesitant to lend the money, if it was for her or her family to keep a roof over their heads or eat, then yes I would but this is different, so why do I feel guilty?

OP posts:
MummytoTw0 · 10/04/2019 08:32

Not your friend

Walk away

lablablab · 10/04/2019 08:35

Tell her you're very sorry about her situation but you have a rule that you never ever lend money to anyone. The money is for your dc and it's all now tied up in an ISA for years anyway.

See how she behaves then!

SpamChaudFroid · 10/04/2019 08:35

I'd consider yourself lucky that you learned a £75 lesson, not a £3000+ one. Definitely. "A cheap lesson" I used to call it. (As in cheaper compared to what it could have been. Obviously OP shouldn't have to pay for any lessons learnt.)

areyoubeingserviced · 10/04/2019 08:58

A friend of my husband asked to ‘borrow ‘ 2k. I told my husband not to give the friend the money. The friend swore on his children’s life that he would return the money by the end of the month.
Five years and counting ...

IchibanLipstickForMen · 10/04/2019 09:05

@BadPennyNoBiscuit thank you! It's been driving me mad haha 😂

ALannisterInDebt · 10/04/2019 09:06

She seems to think that she has rights to your money.

Your DM left that to you, for the benefit of you and your own DC not some random friend.

The inheritance has allowed you to see her for the user she is.

I'm guessing she's always been a user, possibly leaning on you at work and your help Babysitting etc. If you look back in your friendship I'm guessing you were the supportive 'giver' (mother figure) and she was always needing help and advice and support? Now it's become about money and she sees you as someone generous who can give her the money she wants.

purplealiensdontwearhats · 10/04/2019 10:21

FGS don't do it.
No need to justify it, none of her business why you won't. As that old MN saying goes 'NO' IS A COMPLETE SENTENCE.

Teacher22 · 10/04/2019 17:33

She only wants to be friends with you for the money. YANBU.

riceuten · 10/04/2019 17:33

You'd be crazy to lend her the money. Don't do it, you will not get a bean back, just a string of excuses.

PaintingOwls · 10/04/2019 17:35

You are not a bank, so no, don't lend her money.

IAmASkier · 10/04/2019 17:47

Tell her yes, you’ll happily consider it - once she’s repaid the 75.00. Keep it light and friendly. If she thinks she’s on to a good thing, she’ll find a way to repay that amount. Then say no, you won’t lend again. If she realises you’re on to her, you’re not any worse off than now.

cdtaylornats · 10/04/2019 17:54

The £25 was bait for the bigger sum. Dump her.

Hidingtonothing · 10/04/2019 17:59

Thing is she can't fail to realise her repeatedly asking for money is making you uncomfortable and putting a strain on the friendship, yet she continues to ask. PP's are right, she is not your friend, whatever loyalty you thought had built up before you got the money has been obliterated by pound signs for her, time to walk away OP Flowers

RoisinXena · 10/04/2019 18:00

I thought the CF comment was about paying a 3500 loan back at £20 per week. Seriously? Do not lend this woman any money.

JocastaElastic · 10/04/2019 18:10

Hell no! Do not lend her any money; you won’t get it back, so you will fall out with her in the end anyway. Better to fall out with her now while she owes you £100 as opposed to later when she owes you £3500.

bpirockin · 10/04/2019 18:11

My original reaction was NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NO, and still is re any further loans, but I really like the response suggested by TimeIhadaNameChange. It's easy to say walk away, but if you genuinely believe you had a good friendship and you miss that, then the only way forward is to be straight with her.

Even a "pseudo-mum" can teach lessons, and this woman needs to learn to live within her means, and take responsibility for herself and her choices.

You live alone, have no back-up when it comes to expenses, and she not only earns more but also has a partner to chip in. What if you needed to replace your car, the roof on your house, etc? If she can't understand and respect that, then she never was a friend, but it may just be that no-one else has ever bothered to give her a reality check that she is clearly in need of. It can be hard to meet people whose company you enjoy, so this gives her a chance without any risk to you or your finances. You may get that £75 back yet, but if you don't then at least you'll see her true colours, and you'll only be down the £75 you've already written off.

winbinin · 10/04/2019 18:20

You’ve done absolutely the right thing OP. I am much better off than many of my friends (not that I’m particularly rich - I have other friends who are very much better off than me). Not one of them has ever asked to borrow money from me and I would be shocked if they did. My sister asked once (for several thousand pounds in connection with her divorce). My answer was along the lines of ‘I’m sorry I don’t have that sort of money to lend ’ and she got by without it just fine, just as your CF friend will.

Fishfingersandwichplease · 10/04/2019 18:23

Wow l would deffo not do it...like others have said if she cannot pay back a smaller sum like £100, there is no way she will pay back a larger sum. Pretty sure your late mum would want you and your kids to benefit from this, not some random. She needs to learn how to manage her own money.

ToftyAC · 10/04/2019 18:26

OP... as someone who has a crazy ass next door neighbour who has spread lies and rumours to the rest of our close knit street, has tried to have my DP arrested with her lies and also tried to have her soon to be exDH beat my DP up (he didn’t - us & soon to be exDH are good friends) because when my DF died and left his entire estate to me and not her - run like fuck. She is not your friend. Maybe she once was but money does strange things to people.

KittyInTheCradle · 10/04/2019 18:29

Do not lend her any money.
I'd forget her altogether and find a new friend.

I wouldn't even ask my own mother, even if she was rich, to do what she asked of you. Pure entitlement.

Arnoldthecat · 10/04/2019 18:32

I'm telling you,if you give this woman any money,you will deeply regret it. She WILL almost certainly rip you off and leave you with nothing. Tell her that you cannot afford to lend anyone any money as you have your own financial problems. If it ends your "friendship" well so be it. The best place to borrow money is from a bank. If they wont lend her any money then why should you?

Point her to this web page where she can get very cheap loans from legitimate institutions. They have lots of cheap money to lend out at low rates as the UK economy is so fucked up that it can only exist by gorging itself on debt

www.moneysavingexpert.com/loans/cheap-personal-loans/

Lynz301 · 10/04/2019 18:35

That escalated quickly! She went from £100 to £13,000 like it was Monopoly money!! Confused

I think you’ve done the right thing by blocking etc. It’s only cost you £75 so far to confirm what kind of person she is.

Even with the very very minimal 0.000001% chance she is in actual need, handing her cash doesn’t actually help solve the problem - it fixes a symptom (in the short term). If she is in genuine need then she needs to cut her cloth accordingly and set a budget.

Buy her a Dave Ramsey book! (Or other financial advisor that you may prefer!) you could even send it anonymously via amazon!

Jamiefraserskilt · 10/04/2019 18:38

Such a shame that your friend has crossed boundaries and does not remember why you were friends in the first place.
Sadly you have two choices:
Make it clear that you will not be lending money to her at this or any point in the future. To continue to ask is getting in the way of any continuing relationship.
Accept that it is over because she is being rude and selfish and move on.
If she imagines any planet where repaying a loan over ten years, let alone failing to pay back the £75 she owes you, is acceptable and her right as "your friend", she is delusional. If she is so skint, she should cut back, downsize to a more affordable house and cut back the extras..... Her poor money management is not your issue.

lily2403 · 10/04/2019 18:40

Tell her it’s all tied up in investments for your retirement

Sophiesdog11 · 10/04/2019 18:45

Well done Op, you have definitely done the right thing. But what I cant understand is why she would even know that you had money? I never discuss money with friends!

I know that a family death often means an inheritance, but it is not a given and most people wouldn’t know the amount.

Same with alittlesnow - how did people know you had come into money?

My mum died a few years ago, I got a modest inheritance, but we got the same as much again in the same year through a number of other windfalls. Whilst my friends knew my mum died, so could guess at an inheritance, no one has a clue how much money we got that year.

A year earlier, a more distant relative died and our teenagers were amongst the beneficiaries, receiving almost a 6 figure sum each.

Other than a close friend whose kids also have an inheritance in trust, so I have talked investments with her, the only people who know about the kids money are the other beneficiaries and their relatives, eg my cousin and her daughters. I have also drilled it into the DC that their money is no ones business but their own. Fortunately neither seem to be the type to give any of it away!

Never a borrower or lender be is definitely a good mantra to live by.