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To refuse to lend my friend money?

282 replies

Jenasaurus · 09/04/2019 15:31

I met my friend a year ago, we worked together and clicked, she is in her late 30s and I’m in my early 50s, she lives with her DH and DS many miles from both their families and I got the feeling she say me as a sort of fill in mum. I babysat for her DS, who even called me Nannyjenasauraus. We spent most lunch times together at work and confided in each other about lots of things. Things however have changed since my DM died last year.

I have inherited a large sum of money and this seems to have caused an issue between my friend and I. My friend has just purchased a brand new 4 bedroomed detached house in a nice area, her DS goes to an expensive nursery and her DH earns over 50K a year but she has recently started asking to borrow money from me.

She has left the place we both worked at and now has a well-paid job close to where she lives. We met a couple of months ago for a meal and she brought up that it was my pay day the following day, she asked if she could borrow £100 as she was going away at the weekend and hadn’t budgeted correctly, she promised to pay me back when she got paid 4 days later…but her pay day came and went and no money arrived.
I wrote this off, but then she asked me for £13,000 and said she would pay me back. She had a loan and was paying a lot of interest on it, so she wanted me to pay it off and instead she would pay me a monthly amount. I said I wasn’t sure as I have most of my money tied up and have 3 grown up children who I wanted to be able to help financially with house moves etc. She then asked for a lesser amount of £3500 and would repay me at £20 a month.
I kept avoiding the subject and in the end blocked her number and on social media as it was awkward and embarrassing. I did/do like her and before I had this inheritance our relationship was lovely. Anyway she managed to contact me by work email and said she hoped she hadn’t upset me and that she missed me. So I started chatting to her again and unblocked her number etc…now today, she has said “I hate to ask but you have always been so good to me before, I am unable to extend my overdraft and I desperately need some money”…I was amazed, 1 couple of days in and she is back to asking for money again! Should I just walk away or tell her in plain terms that I am unable to lend her any money. She did repay £25 of the £100 I lent her in the end but I wouldn’t have minded her keeping that to help her out, but it was a red flag if she can’t repay a £100 how could she repay £3000+?
Despite the inheritance I only early £20k a year and live alone, so really can’t give away the money my mum left me, I really believe my mum would want this to benefit her grandchildren and be upset if I lent it like this.
So as not to drip feed, my friend told me a lot of information about her life, including the fact her DH smokes a packet of cigarettes a day and a bottle of wine a night, in addition when the purchased their home my friend immediately paid out to get all the hallway retiled despite it being brand new and freshly decorated, this is one of the reasons I was hesitant to lend the money, if it was for her or her family to keep a roof over their heads or eat, then yes I would but this is different, so why do I feel guilty?

OP posts:
canadianbanana · 10/04/2019 20:36

I would just say “no I cannot lend you money. Please stop asking.” Friends don’t put friends in these situations. There is no situation where you need to feel you should lend such large amounts of money to someone who is clearly terrible with money. You can be sure you would never see that money again, and she will just keep asking for more. Frankly, I would cut her off, and if she asks why, be blunt - “I’m fed up with you asking me for money, particularly when you still haven’t repaid the £100 I already lent you. Please stop calling/texting me”. She is no friend.

M4J4 · 10/04/2019 21:00

@ToftyAC

OP... as someone who has a crazy ass next door neighbour who has spread lies and rumours to the rest of our close knit street, has tried to have my DP arrested with her lies and also tried to have her soon to be exDH beat my DP up (he didn’t - us & soon to be exDH are good friends) because when my DF died and left his entire estate to me and not her - run like fuck. She is not your friend. Maybe she once was but money does strange things to people.

Tofty, your NDN was annoyed your dad left his estate to you and not her?!

We need more info!!

dronesdroppingzopiclone · 10/04/2019 21:03

She is a con artist, Jen, not a friend, you were a mark. Sorry but you need to walk away.

PleaseJustSayNo · 10/04/2019 21:07

OP, is this friendship 100% over? Irreversibly damaged? It would be for a lot (possibly most) people. But you have to make that decision.

I think it goes without saying that you don't give her any more money, but if you made it CRYSTAL clear that you do not under any circumstances have any expendable money you could even consider lending her - might it be salvageable?

I can tell how difficult a situation this is for you

GirlcalledJack · 10/04/2019 21:12

She is absolutely a Con artist!

You sound like a lovely friend.

Friends shouldn’t ever lend money to other friends as it always ends in tears!

The only help I would give friends is to buy a full shop, buy a tank of petrol, electric on a key, etc things that would help but I wouldn’t expect money to change hands for iyswim.

SnowsInWater · 10/04/2019 21:15

I’m glad you have come to a decision to walk away. It’s the right one. Take care x

moon2 · 10/04/2019 21:25

No way! YANBU. She sounds like a shark. 14.5 years to pay you back for £3500. You’ll be retired by then. She’s taking you for a fool. You’ll never get it back. I’ve lent money, £700 to one single friend and never got it back and on top they begrudged buying me a £20 dinner years later when I was feeding a baby, starving and forgot my purse. Forget it. She has to learn to live within her means and deal with it. We can’t all afford to pretend to be Kardashians or Chelsea ladies. She’s hardly struggling or frumpy. You are right the money is for your family from the toil of your parents and she hardly qualifies as a needy or good cause. Don’t feel guilty, you are being had. Keep her blocked and don’t relent.

Marshmallow91 · 10/04/2019 21:48

You feel guilty because (from what I've read) you are a very nice person and you probably don't like the theme idea of her potentially struggling.

With that being said, you need to bite the bullet and tell her, as previous posters have mentioned "I'm sorry I don't lend money any more as I'm uncomfortable with it" or even make up something if you don't want to be as direct like "I'm sorry I'm only living on my wage as all my money has been put into fixed term isa's" - I used to work in banking and know the only two ways you can withdraw is the term ending or death, so that would save you any argument on her end.

Not that she should anyway, this person is not your friend and is a age CF. If she can't manage the (IMO) large amount of money her and her husband bring in then there's no way in hell she'd pay you back.

My advice in a nutshell - tell her to piss off android block her again, and make some new friends who aren't dickheads. Flowers

Marshmallow91 · 10/04/2019 21:49

*and

Angie169 · 10/04/2019 22:01

11 pages and 260 post every single one saying the same sentiment !
A rare occasion on MN .

Op I would print all of this out and arrange to meet up at a Nero's ( other coffee shops are available Grin ) and say you would like a coffee with her , she will think her luck is in then hand it to her without saying a word and walk out of the coffee shop.

SandAndSea · 10/04/2019 22:26

I'm so glad you're not going to lend her any more. Now, how do you feel about getting your money back? How about messaging her (in response to her request) something like, "I think you've forgotten that you still owe me £75. Actually, can you pay me that back now - my bank details are XXX. Thanks! X"

Notice, I haven't said please. Wink

Erythronium · 10/04/2019 22:42

might it be salvageable?

Whjy would the OP want to salvage a relationship with someone who basically wants to steal money from her and is grooming her to get her to hand it over willingly? Are you the friend?

Erythronium · 10/04/2019 22:43

Don't give her your bank details whatever you do!

llizzie · 10/04/2019 22:48

This person is not your friend. She is a sponge which will soak up everything you have eventually. I think you know you should not lend her money. You should never lend more than you can afford if they do not repay you. Watch Judge Judy. You will never lend anyone anything if you do.

If you are wise you will break with her. It could be you are doing her a service because it may be that she is spending too much in the belief you will pay her debts. It will make her life impossible in the end.

ForksintheRoad · 11/04/2019 01:20

Wow, Mumsnet has thrown up some weirdos this week. This con artist plus the woman who faked a miscarriage to deflect attention from her DS who'd had a stillborn!

You sound lovely OP, but you're better than this!! Just walk away as everyone has said. And please don't feel bitter - most people IME are just generally normal and nice! Thanks

Angie169 · 11/04/2019 03:37

SandAndSea why on earth would you suggest OP gives a con artist her bank details?
OP , Yike def do not give her your bank details !

Earthakitty · 11/04/2019 08:57

The answer to this is as clear as day.
Do NOT have anything further to do with this woman.
There is not a cat in hell's chance you'd be repaid.
And even if you were ......who does she think you are ? Barclays Bank ?
Disgusting behaviour....she is totally taking advantage of you.
I don't care how nice your relationship was before.......GET RID OF HER NOW.
She is trouble.
Guaranteed.

MrsChanandlerBongg · 11/04/2019 09:13

@Angie169 I would like to think @SandAndSea is talking about OP giving her bank details in order to transfer the remaining £75... not her 16 digit number Hmm

Blueberrysponge · 11/04/2019 09:25

Oh dear. Stop being so stupid. She's using you. I learned the hard way too unfortunately. I received a large inheritance and spent lots on 'friends' gave them large sums of money and bought them things for their house. Then they all fucked off when it was gone. Lovely. Do yourself a favour and tell her she's a greedy bitch and fuck off.

SandAndSea · 11/04/2019 13:17

@MrsChanandlerBongg
@Angie169

Of course I was MrsC, thanks for clarifying that for me. Of course, the OP could request a cheque or whatever suits her. I believe you can invoice people through PayPal now, can't you? I've never done it myself but heard about it somewhere. Anyway, I think you get my point.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/04/2019 17:08

I understand why you feel guilty. You are a nice kind person and she has been giving you the impression that she views you as a mother figure, even getting her son call you nanny. It was emotional stroking and soothing for her to do this, making you feel responsible for her well being. She's made you feel like you were rejecting a daughter.

But you are not. Yes. She was a pleasant colleague when you worked together but where does a couple, both with well paid jobs and a nice house and able to afford an expensive nursery get off asking you, with an annual income of £20k to be their bank to the tune of £13k. She already had a loan.

Even before your inheritance she had you babysittingfor her ( free of charged no doubt as you were a loved relative) She listened attentively to everything you told her.. sometimes that's friendly but not if you use the info to worm your way into a person's affections so you can hit them up for ridiculous loans. I think that even without your inheritance she would have ended up taking advantage of you in 100s of ways and making you feel guilty if you said no.
As all the other pps have said. She is a con artist and you should steer clear.
This whole episode must have been very upsetting for you, but please don't blame yourself. Put it behind you and remember the old mumsnet adage - No is a complete sentance... whether its free meals, free babysitting, wanting to know all about your life, or loans or anyother kind of favour. Think carefully if you come across someone like this again, who mistakes kindness for an opportunity to be a CF.

1Wildheartsease · 11/04/2019 20:38

Good for you OP - well done on realising that you are worth more than this 'friend'.

She has lost out on much more than a 'loan' because of her grasping behaviour.

Boysey45 · 11/04/2019 20:52

Well done OP, you have made the right choice. Just don't tell anyone you have that amount of money ever again. Its a private matter and then at least you will be attracting those who want you for who you are not for £.

Angie169 · 11/04/2019 22:18

MrsChanandlerBongg SandAndSea
If I have misunderstood this I am sorry but when you referred to bank details did you mean OPs account and sort code number ?
there is still no way I would do this as the con artist could go into the bank claiming she has lost her bank card but ' I know my acc & sort code number .' I have got money out of my own account like this before with no problems .

However this is all besides the point hopefully OP will cut all ties with this CF

Aeroflotgirl · 11/04/2019 22:26

If you lend her that money you will never see it again. It is a big unreasonable ask. Would she lend you 13k I don't think so.

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