Leavers being so dead against a second referendum is just proof they know they'll lose, surely?

[stillpinching]

If we had one and they won again it would be the ultimate confirmation that it really is the will of the people.

By refusing to countenance it and describing it as a betrayal they may as well say it's not the will of the people anymore we're insisting on honouring something no one with any sense and without a vested interest wants and we should therefore call it off.

We're being forced into something the people who most support it clearly know is no longer the people's choice that's going to do horrible damage to the country. Just why can no one stop it???

The vote was the vote. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean you get to vote again. That’s not how it works.

user1511042793

It's not 'just because you don't like it'. Read my post of 16.30 and 17.12. It wasn't a fair referendum. It was bought.

Other posters have other valid reasons. Reducing arguments down to people not liking it is facile.

Tolleshunt

both sides have been found to have acted illegal in the referendum.

But here is my opinion on why the politicians don't want to re-run the referendum.

Because it would mean that they would have to face up to the fact that every election has been corrupt for many years and they would have to sort that shit out, and that would mean them having to be honest and actually answerable to someone other than themselves.

Honestly, I live in a Leave area. I speak to many people about this (it's my job). They are comfortable with No Deal. They are fed up with Westminster politicians trying to halt the process. The feel another referendum would be a betrayal of democracy.

They honestly do not care about the semantics. They did know what they were voting for and would vote the same way again. Some are poor and some are rich. Most are well educated. They are seriously pissed off at being patronised by Remainers. Please don't believe the narrative in the media. This is real people who are sick of the circus and just want out.

I’m against a second vote purely on the basis of costs what as waste of money.

I’d put a big fat tick tick in the leave box most remainers I know are fed up and just want to leave now.

I’d love to know exactly how Leave voters knew they’d be voting for no deal, given the official Vote Leave campaign leaflets specifically said that wouldn’t be the case.

Its been done to death. Let's just pander and have 10 more pv's until the remainers get the result they want.

The circus will continue for many many years with any kind of brexit, particularly no deal. All that time,money and effort that could be put into actually solving domestic problems. If people want it over with then revoke is the answer

most remainers I know are fed up and just want to leave now

Every remainer that I know wants article 50 revoked. No deal is so clearly going to be disastrous, why is this country so intent on self-destruction?

I just don't care any more. I'm sick of the politicians using the issue for their own ends. They just need to make a decision and then get on with it.

What will happen if we have to participate in the EU elections? Will anyone take it seriously if we might only be in the EU for a couple of months post election? How good will the candidates be? Yet if Brexit doesn't happen those MEPs might have to represent us until the next election.

What an absolute disaster. If the politicians were against it happening they should have stopped it long before now.

I restate just because you don’t like the result doesn’t mean it goes again. It was bought. If it wasn’t that it would be something else. The result is the result. Accept it.

Boney, the scale of corruption was far worse on the leave side (talk about damning remain with faint praise, though!). Either way, the result is invalid. But I think you could be right about why they are busting a gut to avoid a re-run.

Good article from erstwhile passionate Leaver, Osborne, today:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

Do you usually accept crimes just because they have happened, user1511042793?

If you were assaulted tomorrow, would you just accept it happened and do nothing about it, or would you take steps to get some redress?

It is good to see sensible people, even those who were fully behind Leave, change their tune when realizing they were sold a pack of lies. Hopefully it's not too late.

It seems peculiarly self-defeating for any remainers to change their vote just because they are bored. I can't imagine voting for a disastrous outcome just because I was fed up with the news. How silly.

I don't know one single voter who has changed their mind, on either side. I do, however, know people who couldn't be bothered to vote before who would vote this time - that is why I think a second referendum is a bad idea. They had their opportunity to have a say originally. In my opinion, they lost their right to vote when they couldn't be bothered

Yes, ContinuityError, even the paper that the government had to publish under he text of the referendum act made it clear that the intention was to negotiate a deal.

The 'Leave means Leave', hard Brexit mantra only started post-referendum.

Tolleshunt

Surely we hold both sides to the level of honesty or what is the point?

I agree Boney! Sorry if that was unclear. I would like to see ALL corrupt practices identified, publicised, consequences enacted,and robust preventative measures enacted for the future.

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Illegal practices on both sides = even MORE reason to re-run, surely?

Youd think so wouldn't you TaMere

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu

I have no problems with another referendum.
The issues that I do see are
What is/are the question/s going to be
The politicians won't allow it
Is it going to contain any factual information from either side, including the direction of the EU and the possible implications of the Lisbon treaty. NI etc.

A second referendum would be May's deal (aka a deal drawn up by a remainer pm and the eu to essentially keep us tied to the eu) against remain. That is why leavers are up in arms.