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To be furious that DS and friends have drawn on faces with sharpie at sleepover

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peoplepleaser1 · 06/04/2019 09:13

Yesterday was DS' 12th birthday. He had 6 friends sleep overnight.

They've been no trouble but I've got up this morning to find they've drawn on the faces of two sleeping friends with sharpie whilst they were asleep.

They have drawn moustaches, bushy eyebrows and cheek roses. I've tried to remove it with them but it's still quite visible. Both kids have quite pale skin which has made it even more visible.

I'm mortified, and upset and angry that DS let this happen under our roof. I was responsible for these kids and I feel terrible that they did this.

I've told DS to carry on as normal and that I'll deal with him once they've all gone home.

I'm not usually very strict and DS is usually a good kid but I'm really annoyed with him- well with all of them tbh but it's not my place to do anything about that.

DS is going to his dads tonight, we aren't together. I have mentioned it to him and he has said I'm ridiculous and overreacting. I planned to ban DS from electronics for a couple of days but his Dad has said he won't back me up so I can't do that.

AIBU and overreacting?!

OP posts:
Lalliella · 08/04/2019 08:04

@Nanny0gg

Crikey I’ve really rattled your cage haven’t I? 😂 What is your problem? I think you need to lighten up a bit!

youarenotkiddingme · 08/04/2019 08:05

Any pen that's been on skin for hours does not just wipe off 🤦🏼‍♀️
It soaks through the layers and fades and disappears as each layer shreds.
That's why scrubbing fades it significantly.

I'm astounded at the people who say they should learn to take a joke for when they go to college parties, uni, stag nights etc.
Why? Do certain evens and nights out make it fair game to physically change the appearance of someone against their will?
Ok, historically it was tradition that this happened but does that mean that we can't stop that for the future with the greater understanding of boundaries and consent we have in 2019?

I mean - men patted woman's bottoms (their pa and secretaries too etc) many decades ago and if someone saw it they don't batter an eyelid. Society didn't see it as a massive issue. Present day tells us although these woman laughed it off and accepted it they felt violated and in 2019 we have protections and movements against this.

What about racial segregation? Many accepted it and say at their place in public/ buses etc. They didn't say a word.
Except that stood many decades ago because people stood up and said its wrong and others admitted to feeling the same.

Woman's voting ......

I could go on.

No, in the grander scheme of things this isn't a life changing event and major assault. However it's a pack mentality physically changing someone's appearance that will have an impact on them for day and probably weeks/months as they will be teased.
And if you're the one who always becomes the butt of practice jokes or pranks it takes a toll on your self esteem.

The number of parents who admit they'd be Larry to their child's humiliation by ignoring their feelings is disgusting.
Maybe it's not just school pressure and SM contributing to the increase in anxious kids nowadays?

Perhaps, just perhaps - it's parents who think children feelings can't be validated alongside being put in perspective.

contrary13 · 08/04/2019 08:30

My son's school would put a child in isolation if they turned up having been drawn on with Sharpie, and the parents unable to get it off, purely to try to prevent that child from being bullied by their peers. It's got absolutely nothing to do, I suspect, with the fact that the child was a victim of a "prank" - but to prevent them from being the victim of their fellow students...

OP, I think you did your best to handle it responsibly, and like another PP, I can see why your ex is precisely that. I know, from bitter experience, what it's like to be belittled in front of your 12 year old son by the other side of their DNA - and, take heart; your son might resent the way your ex speaks to you, and be taking absolutely no notice of what his father had to say on the matter.

Regardless of what some posters on here have been spouting... it does equate to assault. The boys who were scribbled upon? Did not give their consent, were upset by the outcome of their "friends" behaviour, and one has been subject to ridicule by his school friends at a sporting event (not to mention, from what has been said, told off by a teacher for something that was beyond his control!). 12 and 11 year old boys are not only old enough to know better - but old enough to be held accountable (and no; I'm not one of "those parents" who would go running to the police... but I am one of those parents who would be explaining in no uncertain terms to my son what might happen if he were to be stupidly irresponsible enough to allow something like that to happen to someone he considers friend enough to invite them into his home overnight!). There has to be a line somewhere, because in a few short years, those boys will be sharing their sleeping space(s) with young women - and consent is consent, irrespective of whether it's an 11/12 year old boy, or an 18/19+ year old woman.

I'd be livid if my son came home from a sleepover looking like this (and he's 14, so his ability to be stupid is at an all-level high, given that teenagers simply don't think about consequences to their actions until it's too late). I'd be grateful to the OP for having tried her utmost to (a) get the Sharpie off my son's face, and (b) told her son/the others how ludicrously stupid they were and to think if there's ever a next time... but for my son? If he were friends with the OP's son? There wouldn't be a next time. I'd not want to run the risk of a repeat art session with my sleeping son the canvas, or... and this is the crucial point... something worse happening to him when he was at his most vulnerable (ie, asleep). That would stand for a sleepover at the OP's house, and at mine.

When I was a teenager, back in the distant ages of darkness, I had mixed sleepovers - girls and boys all huddled in our individual sleeping bags, at 14, 15, 16 years old, watching horror films and verbally mocking one another. Maybe we were boring, but at least we were simply tired the following day, not sporting bushy Sharpie'd eyebrows or glasses... My 14 year old son has been to one sleepover - and he came home with a bloodied nose where his "best friend" had deliberately kicked him in the face. He never went back to that "best friend"'s house, and my son phased him out of his life, through his own choice. OP... sad as this might be, the choice which your son made to cave into peer pressure, may well have cost him two friendships. And if I were you? I'd be very loathe to have my son spend much time with those boys who pressurised him into either joining in with them, or allowing them to humiliate two vulnerable boys in a space that their parents obviously believed they'd be fully safe in.

I'd also understand that the parent who reported back to say that their son might have to suffer repercusions for your son's actions... is actually pretty darned angry with you and your son. Be prepared for them to distance themselves and their son from you and yours, regardless of how well you actually handled the experience.

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bubblegumunicorn · 08/04/2019 08:46

To be honest @peoplepleaser1 this could be a great opportunity for a lesson in empathy you could get DS to buy the two boys he upset a present to say sorry and make him do it from his money either birthday or pocket money! Especially if his dad has minimised it punishing him will seam like a bit of a joke. If he understands that it's important to do nice things for people it will set him up for great things further down the line it's such an important lesson with the influence of social media to remind children to do kind things for each other instead of mean things! As if this happens again in say 2 years time I bet it will end up on Instagram or Snapchat and that will be even harder on the boys at the front (it could be your DS next time) clearly it was meant as a prank and there is a good chance they knew it would happen as often people say I have sharpies for who ever falls asleep first it's a common thing (not saying it's right) but the people who were drawn on didn't find it funny so a lesson on empathy would go down really well for all involved!

SandyY2K · 08/04/2019 09:00

Maybe the boys who were graffitied can get revenge next time.

When does it all end if you think revenge is the answer. The revenge could end up being a haircut..shaved eyebrows.... sharpies used to draw around their chest...it doesn't solve the problem and if one thing is wrong...the revenge action will equally be wrong.

I was going to say I'm amazed at some responses, such as 'character building'... what utter nonsense.

Parents with such thought processes, raise children who overstep the mark and behave like total fools.

Planetian · 08/04/2019 10:06

They were both in tears?! Oh come on? At 12 years old? People really, really need to instill some resilience in their children...

Secondary school is going to be hellish for them if they can’t cope with a little pen on their face. The pathetic overreaction of parents on here to a normal childhood stunt is doing these children a real disservice. I can’t even imagine how they’d deal with actual, real trauma.

Imagine wasting police time on a prank? What is wrong with you people? You’d probably get cautioned and rightly so.

ineedaholidaynow · 08/04/2019 10:22

I can’t wait to see all the photos of the PP who have gone to work today covered in permanent marker, because what’s the problem it’s only a bit of pen. Or maybe they could draw all over one of their colleagues faces, without their consent, and if they complain tell them they need to be more resilient.

LittleChristmasMouse · 08/04/2019 10:25

Planetian

From the OPs description it is hardly a "little pen" is it?

How would you react if this morning you had woken up with bug bushy eyebrows, moustache and rosey cheeks drawn on your face with a permanent marker? Would you have a good old laugh and then merrily gone about your business - off to work, out shopping etc? Because if you wouldn't, why should these boys?

Resilience isn't not being allowed to be upset when you've had something like this done to you. Something that will obviously affect your appearance for days.

If some random man pinches your bum on the train are you not resilient if you react to it or you get upset? Because actually, what harm did he do? He didn't do any permanent harm did he? He was just having a lark.

As far as I'm concerned the boy who went to his football match despite being upset and despite being teased was showing resilience. He was upset but went anyway.

But what comes next? Taunts and teasing that lasts long after the pen has gone? More bullying?

Bullying erodes kids self confidence. It isn't necessarily the individual acts that cause the damage it is the damage that it does by making them feel isolated and singled out.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/04/2019 10:43

As far as I'm concerned the boy who went to his football match despite being upset and despite being teased was showing resilience. He was upset but went anyway

Exactly

Its absolutely fine to be crying and upset with shock and worry initially

And that would have been my ds1 the bravest child ive ever known

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/04/2019 10:46

Everything littlechristmasmouse said now ive reread her post

All my children would have been upset that their supposed friends had done something so thoughtless and mean

I doubt they would have been happy and confident enough to ever have a sleepover again

Ds1 is a wonderful child but struggled with self esteem and making friends

This would have upset him tremendously

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 08/04/2019 10:48

Oh and my boy has resilience in spades!

But he would still have been upset when he woke up to that

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 08/04/2019 11:02

I can’t believe so many think that this is just a prank and these lads should just suck it up and have no right to be upset.

These boys have been assaulted as they didn’t content to being drawn on, they were asleep and defenceless and people who they trusted have broken that trust to make them the butt of their nasty joke.
This is probably life altering for them as now I can’t see either boy being able to trust their so called friends enough to want to have further sleep overs. In fact they are probably questioning the whole friendship and if I was the mother I certainly would be.
Anyone who thinks this is just a harmless prank should be happy to do the same to their kids, send them to school or social events and see if their child comes home happy and smiling. Don’t give your child a choice in the matter after all you are just having a laugh and helping to toughen them up.

Alpal1 · 08/04/2019 11:17

A Silly thoughtless joke. I rather think I was like that at his age, but I think you are right to be upset, there is a faint whiff of bullying going on here. Its a vulnerable age for it. Not sure about the electronics ban because it doesn’t quite fit the crime from my personal view, but a good lecture on peer influence and group pressure wouldn’t go amiss and possibly close monitoring of his friendship group. I think the children’s parents will expect a response from you, but in their shoes I wouldn’t blame you either.
Is there history here, or do you think it’s a one off? I would keep an eye on them for a while.

BatteringLord · 08/04/2019 11:33

You’ve been told this already op but you’re being absolutely unreasonable, it was a prank, and a funny bit of banter. In a few years time your lad will probably go on his first lads holiday and wake up with a lot worse drawn on his face.

For those of you screaming about it being assault you really need to get a grip and not pass this hysteria down to your kids otherwise they’ll be walking through life as perpetual victims with a target strapped to them. People need to learn to toughen up and roll with the punches.

cabcab · 08/04/2019 11:34

This is probably life altering for them as now I can’t see either boy being able to trust their so called friends enough to want to have further sleep overs. In fact they are probably questioning the whole friendship and if I was the mother I certainly would be.

Hmm

Bet they are all back mates by the end of the school day - life altering what utter rubbish. Even if they don't make up it's not going to be fucking life altering is it?

I despair of the high drama in here sometimes!

PCohle · 08/04/2019 11:37

I'm sorry, thinking kids drawing on their friends faces is amusing is akin to condoning racial segregation iamnotkidding?

This thread is bat shit crazy.

AlaskanOilBaron · 08/04/2019 11:42

This is probably life altering for them as now I can’t see either boy being able to trust their so called friends enough to want to have further sleep overs. In fact they are probably questioning the whole friendship and if I was the mother I certainly would be.

Goodness. I've been on hundreds of sleepovers in my life and I've been drawn on more times than I can count. I've also had my bra frozen, my hand dipped in warm water to induce peeing in the bed (that doesn't work), had things superglued to me, and so on. This was all hugely fun, I have such great memories of my childhood sleepovers.

(we also had a common remote control throughout our town once cable arrived and we would run through all the back gardens, changing everyone's channel - hilarious).

In the absence of a backstory, it is really not a big deal.

LittleChristmasMouse · 08/04/2019 11:43

People need to learn to toughen up and roll with the punches.

No one needs to learn to accept another person touching them without their consent.

Little children are taught that or do you think that's wrong too?

As far as it being a prank and a funny bit of banter - yes it was. For the boys who did it! Not for the boys on the receiving end.

Where do you draw the line? At what point do you have agency over your own body?

No adults on here would accept this being done to them yet because they are kids it's all just a laugh and banter.

Where so you think a joke is unacceptable or can someone do literally anything to another person's body or property as long as the joker finds it funny?

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cabcab · 08/04/2019 11:45

@AlaskanOilBaron your bra frozen! GrinGrinGrin

LittleChristmasMouse · 08/04/2019 11:48

BatteringLord

I'm genuinely asking where some of you think a "joke" crosses the line?

What do you accept as going too far?

For me, touching someone's body without their consent, no matter if it's intended as a joke, is not on. I wonder how any of you can justify it.

cabcab · 08/04/2019 11:50

No adults on here would accept this being done to them yet because they are kids it's all just a laugh and banter.

This bloody kids all behaving childishly!! Next they'll be asking to walk along the top of low walks while you hold their hands, or asking for dessert before savoury, or thinking that an extra hour on the x box is more expensive important than school work. I mean they should all bloody grow up!

BatteringLord · 08/04/2019 11:52

For me, touching someone's body without their consent, no matter if it's intended as a joke, is not on. I wonder how any of you can justify it. - it’s about context obviously. The best thing for the people drawn on in this case is to get their own back in a similar style. This constant hand wringing just turns people into future bullying targets, it’s the way of the world.

LittleChristmasMouse · 08/04/2019 11:57

It wasn't "all the kids behaving childishly" it was some of the kids doing something to the other 2. Something that had consequences for the other 2 that lasted for longer than the sleepover.

That's very different to holding a child's hand while they walk on a wall.

You cannot justify doing something to another person while they were not in a position to consent (ie asleep) as just a joke or a laugh.

Kids will cross lines, do stupid things etc. The fact that they are kids doesn't excuse them from facing the consequences of their stupidity.

You might have found it funny if it happened to you. Your kids might have found it funny if it happened to them. Good for you. That is your right. It doesn't give you the right to consent on behalf of everyone else just because you find it funny.

These boys didn't find it funny and that is their right.

cabcab · 08/04/2019 12:00

@LittleChristmasMouse I presume your kids never played "it" violation all that touching without consent.... of did the person that was it ask for consent before touching?

You sound totally over the top.

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