AIBU to think that Leave voters who complain about a lack of democracy are hypocrites?

[KennDodd]

Because they completely ignore the proven illegalities around the Leave campaign that would have made void the result had the referendum been binding.

I voted Leave. I would be happy for a second referendum. I would use my one vote as before, so I would have the same impact as before -- what would I be scared. However the options would need to be, as a previous poster said, Leave with no Deal or Revoke Art. 50

Revoking unilaterally will provoke anger, because it will feel like the voices of those complaining the loudest are being listened to, rather than those who voted the majority way. Not acknowledging this sets a dangerous precedence for GEs.

In my view Art. 50, was actioned far too soon. I would have much prefered an investigation as to why people voted as they did. Then the government could have gone to Brussels and negotiated re areas of concern. Where concerns were not due to EU policies our government could have implemented a programme to address the domestic issues. Then they could have held another ref. in 5 years to see if the support for Leave was maintained.

What is happening now is complete madness and not what I voted for. I'm not typing my reasons again, but feel free to search my UN.

Revoking unilaterally will provoke anger, because it will feel like the voices of those complaining the loudest are being listened to, rather than those who voted the majority way. Not acknowledging this sets a dangerous precedence for GEs.

Revoking an advisory referendum result will not set any precedent for GEs.

Revoking unilaterally will provoke anger, because it will feel like the voices of those complaining the loudest are being listened

I may have misunderstood this

What do you mean by 'revoking unilaterally'...do you mean without a vote?

If there is a "no deal Brexit"
half the country will be furious and the other half will rapidly become so
when they realise that the WTO will nor ride over the horizon on a unicorn to make Britain "great" again.

If the TM revokes A50 next week
half the country will be euphoric and will start spending money again to make the economy start to work again
and the others will be able to focus their anger where it should always have been - Tory Austerity

I haven't actually stopped spending money

But if its revoke I'll make sure i spend more

Someone needs to break it to dh...baggsy not me

From the YouGov survey referenced previously:

Only 25% of people would consider a No Deal Brexit to be a positive outcome. Twice as many (50%) would see it as a negative, and 37% as a "very bad" outcome. Even among Leave voters, only half see a No Deal conclusion as positive.

Yes, Rufus. If it was advisory (truly) then why are Leavers getting abuse for it being acted upon? Something has changed and to suggest it would not, could not change re GEs is foolhardy and complacent. My grandfather escaped the Nazis, I don't want to risk a modern day equivalent of the Enabling Act.

Genuine question, why do you think it would affect GEs?

Aaah i getcha just

I dont blame people who voted leave

I blame the politicians involved in this...they fucked up every single step of the way

I had a few reasons for voting remain but one of them was that i felt that our government couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery

Because, if the ref. was/ is advisory and they are acting on it, something has changed. No one has voiced it, but it has. Therefore what would stop the same thing happening re GE's. I am a huge believer in the value of the vote, both as a women and as the grandaughter of a man who saw and felt the full implications of it being tampered with and lost. It's not a dice I want to risk throwing.

Justthere
Because, if the ref. was/ is advisory and they are acting on it, something has changed. No one has voiced it, but it has.
Yup, TM said they would and invoked A 50. Does not make the referendum binding.
Therefore what would stop the same thing happening re GE's.
NO. Because the legal framework of a GE is not the same as for a referendum.

Nothing’s changed. Cameron didn’t think any of it through. It could easily have been made binding - he couldn’t be arsed. It could have been contingent on the winning side having a minimum majority - didn’t bother. And it’s been acted on because May’s put party before country. The GE when she gambled with and lost her slender majority didn’t help.

My point is though, and based on my family experience, frameworks can be changed. Hitler came to power perfectly legally, on the face of it. So, NO, I still don't change my answer. She still changed the impact of a ref, if not the law.

Why are you anti a second ref? I don't get it.

I still think we need to guard the vote, sorry.

Why are you anti a second ref? I don't get it.
Who said I was ?

I'm all in favour of another vote
but one that is properly done
and where dirty Russian money does not fix the result

One question I will ask again though is, if politicians are driving it all, why are Leave voters getting abuse in some quarters? (Not being goady)

You were just giving me that impression Talking.

Getting abuse?

They are being asked questions on here and don't seem to want to answer them.

You have a grandfather who escaped the Nazis, yet you voted against freedom of movement, you voted against our being part of the very organisations set up to try to ensure #never again in Europe, you voted for a campaign that used racist imagery and polemic and was supported by racists the country over. Fascinating stuff.

Ds1 said to me the other day

'i hate to do the Godwins law thing, but a lot of what's happening now is similar to the Weimar republic'

A number of posters have said similar recently...for different aspects obviously

Aspects? Reasons...

Can't even blame autocorrect for that one

Leave voters bleating about the actions of our sovereign parliament is almost comical.

if politicians are driving it all, why are Leave voters getting abuse in some quarters?
Because they are rather lacking in facts

Furthermore, you trusted or expected those right-wing politicians to:

a. investigate as to why people voted as they did.
b. negotiated re areas of concern.
c. implement a programme to address the domestic issues.
d. Hold another ref. in 5 years to see if the support for Leave was maintained.

Was any of this mentioned in their campaign? Ever?

Helmet, Antisemitism is rising in Europe and the UK and has been since before Brexit, so sod of with that trite shit. # never again, being the preserve of the EU. FOM and asylum are different. The Nazis did not let the Jews leave after a point so FOM would have been of fuck all use. My decision had nothing to with racism and was nott influenced by UKIP. Fascinating stuff that you are proud of being so dense about the link between the EU and Holocaust survivors.

nobody has lost their job due to brexit

Just the 900 EMA jobs, then.

How many went with the Eur Banking Authority?