Second Referendum

[SovietKitsch]

Leave or remain, I think it’s about time this idea was taken seriously. See Petition below:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235138?fbclid=IwAR3XN95WOshtsO9kSWQGI5VyDL4GRG2EakaADg378AazbBs6FipEN6Ah1Ow

Many people seem desperate for trouble. Desperate to see violence and stand offs. It's Been all over Mumsnet threads for days.

Salivating and rubbing hands waiting for violence like the knittoirs.

Unfortunately I think their wish has been somewhat granted in the form of right wing thug's. But I'm not sure if a few stand offs will be enough for them....

Poor police.

You might not want to be voting Tory either then if Gove gets the PM job

The sad fact is all the remainers who have absolutely slated TM -despite her drafting up a WA that virtually binds us to the EU, in all but name...have left the door open for Gove to take over.

Fucking Hell! Can you imagine how much worse things can get under him?!

I'm thanking the remainers - for nothing! In advance....

Guilt by association? If by your actions or inactions you give support, succour or comfort to racists then you share some of the responsibility.

We are now getting into a situation of arguing against guilt by association that you initiated, you wanted them to answer why they was on the same side of Robbinson, so it's natural to say why you are on the same side as Stormfront.

You could just state how you are anti neoliberal whilst supporting big business and doing illinformed throwbacks to thatcher.

Calling people out as being on the same side of lenon whilst being on the side of stormfront shows your naivete, it was you who played the guilt by card

You might not want to be voting Tory either then if Gove gets the PM job.

I'm voting labour because I'm pro EU and unironically anti liberalism, it gets me facebok likes

@Justanotherlurker as you know what and who I support better than I do please would you tell me which of the causes I support are also supported by
Stromfront. I would be very interested in references and websites.

Any marches I have been on, parties I have voted for etc would help clear up the picture.

Leave voters have supported and given encouragement to Yaxley-Lennon, they have been encouraged to go an a march he is speaking at and so far no leave has condemned him the way I have condemned Corbyn.

illinformed throwbacks to thatcher

I said Thatcher negotiated the SEA. That's a fact.

Windowsareforcheaters

So faux racism, now thick. and you have the gall to post about "classic rejoinder"

Play another song and leave the guilty by association out of your argument

because you need every evolution spelling out in detail. I must admit I assume some level of awareness and political acuity from readers on MN, I am obviously wrong and I apologise for any confusion caused. If I confuse you again please let me know

Again if you can't put forward an argument without being goady then maybe this isn't the place for you.

Yes I am intending to goad you into a response about this man because you are twisting and turning and trying desperately not to respond.

Why would I respond to something so goady and frankly something that shows not only your bias but how bigoted you are. Its not even twisting and turning, I am telling you that I won't answer and you seem to find that "confusing".

Yet again I have responded to your points specifically and in detail. I have apologised for confusing you.

Again if you can't argue a point without name calling then what is the point

So leavers Yaxley-Lennon yes or no?

Again be as goady as you like it just shows you up for what you are.

For all the remainers anticipation and anxieties that "leavers will cause major disruption and riots".....No there has been no trouble reported....

Funny....all the “civil unrest” and “major riots” threatened by Leavers very vocally across social media came to nothing. Surprise, surprise...

I am plesee and relieved there has been no violence.

BoneyBackJefferson

Classic rejoinder of being 'goady' with no actual response to any point.

I have responded, or attempted to respond to every point. You may believe I have failed but I have tried. I am responding in good faith and been called 'goady' repeatedly.

Again if you can't argue a point without name calling then what is the point
I haven't called you any names - you have insulted me and called me 'bigoted'.

I maintain the guilt by association point which is why I was clear in condemning both the Labour Party and Corbyn. No anti semitism in my name.

Brexit has opened a Pandora's box of racism. Stand firm and condemn it, It's not hard. I don't believe it is goady to ask someone to condemn racism and racists.

You have made no attempt to respond to the point about Yaxley-Lennon.

Windowsareforcheaters

You have made no attempt to respond to the point about Yaxley-Lennon.

I have repeatedly responded to this, you have ignored it because it suits your agenda.

Your posts have accused me of being confused, being aligned with racists and all stem from the fact that you don't like the fact that your misunderstanding about the referendum in 75 was pointed out to you.

You have accused me of twisting and turning in my answers yet you have tried to drive the point away from your post by accusations of supporting racism.

Brexit has opened a Pandora's box of racism Would you like to expand on that comment? Racism by who?? Towards who??

I’m just sick to the back teeth of the whole damn thing now. I’m a remainer and in an ideal world would love to have a second ref. But that’s unlikely - the most likely scenario now is we crash out on April 10th without a deal. The EU have been beyond patient with our constant ineptitude. We’ve successfully made ourselves a laughing stock. I’m just tired of the whole thing. We’ll crash out and then let taking back control commence!

Certain Leave voters spend weeks threatening violence if we don't leave on March 29.

Remainers note that there might be violence from Leave voters on March 29.

"OMG, Remainers want violence!"

It's kinda like how Leave voters and MPs keep blaming Remainers for Brexit being delayed, when it's their own inability to agree a Brexit plan they can all get behind that has led to the deadlock.

Maybe saying 'Brexit means Brexit' will help.

Morons.

No second referendum, too many people vote with their emotions instead of their brains and I say that as a reluctant remainer. I have many issues with the EU (I’m not a fan of freedom of movement and wish it was an economic and partially political relationship only or if FoM has to happen it’s for highly skilled required labour only) but understand a marriage of 28 countries will have difficulties. We are stronger together against genuine wolves such as Russia and the US.

Just full on revoke.

Racism has become more acceptable since Brexit vote, United Nations warns

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-racism-religious-intolerance-united-nations-special-rapporteur-a8348021.html

My misunderstanding of the 1975 referendum?

It was a referendum to remain in the EEC. I believe the EU to be an evolution of the EEC and to be the same entity but with negotiated changes. You believe they are two separate entities. Fine. I don't think you misunderstand I think you have a different opinion. Yet again I address the point specifically.

I absolutely believe that the leave agenda is aligned with racists. The descent of UKIP clearly demonstrates that. The fact the Yaxley-Lennon was a key speaker at a Brexit rally clearly indicates that.

Since Brexit we have seen an increase in racist attacks and a wider acceptability of racism - I think this is a Pandora's box.

I am happy to repeat points it is a shame you don't feel able to repeat the point where you condom Yaxley-Lennon.

To clarify I condemn anti semitism within the Labour Party and abhor the use of racism and racist images (The Poster) to promote Brexit. Allowing racists to speak on your platform gives them support, succour and comfort.

The eec and the Eu are not the same thing

"I absolutely believe that the leave agenda is aligned with racists. The descent of UKIP clearly demonstrates that. The fact the Yaxley-Lennon was a key speaker at a Brexit rally clearly indicates that. "

Blimey. Presumably you would never support anything other than unrestricted immigration else you alighn yourself with racists, are not anti-circumsition to avoid being on the same side of the fence as anti-Semitics.

There is such a thing as the guilty by association fallacy in logical reasoning.

The whole thing makes me feel really sad now. I don't even care if we stay or go anymore, I just want some sort of decision so that the UK can move forward. All the while that this is going on nothing else is being taken seriously in Parliament. It overshadows everything and I'm sick of hearing about it now.

In any other business if you lie in the same way the leave campaign was won the contract would be effectively void so lets just revoke and move on!!

Windowsareforcheaters

If you wish an answer to your lennon-yaxley or Tommy Robinson question then open up a thread asking for posters opinions on them.

This thread is about referendums and specifically a second referendum. I am under no duress to answer a question that doesn't relate to the threads OP. Other posters are willing to take you up on your preferred discussion but wish to take it in yet another direction.

Its a forum, much like a referendum its a gamble as to what you get.

The second referendum would need to be worded as a two part question. 1. Leave or remain and 2. If the uk were to leave rank the deal you would like them to leave with in order of preference.

The reason remain are so desperate for a 2nd ref, and leave are so dead set against it is because both sides know that remain would swing it. Claiming to care about democracy by denying people their vote is nothing short of bizarre.