Second Referendum

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Leave or remain, I think it’s about time this idea was taken seriously. See Petition below:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235138?fbclid=IwAR3XN95WOshtsO9kSWQGI5VyDL4GRG2EakaADg378AazbBs6FipEN6Ah1Ow

You all think you are so fucking superior when really , you are just nasty.

Just revoke

We may not have more information on what the future holds (and that applies to both sides obv), but we certainly do have more information on what this is all going to cost us, in all sorts of ways.

In the years since the vote, nothing more appealing or positive is coming out of the EU

Whats the point of a second referendum? They can't honour the results of the first. How many referendums do we need? Brexit has now become a farce. I thought leave with no deal was the default position if Parliament didn't agree on the WA?? Now it seems its not. What a fucking joke the UK Government are. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery..

JC keeps pushing for a GE. He needs to stand down if there is any chance of Labour winning a GE.

It would be a third referendum on the EU.

Fact.

I want us to stay, but I agree that revoking would be a betrayal. Yes Vote Leave broke the law, yes it was technically 'advisory' and yes we are a representative, not a direct democracy, but the question was put to the electorate (in woefully vague terms) and they spoke.

If MPs could have reached a consensus on how to actually affect leaving, this could have been put to bed, but it has proved impossible.

What is also apparent is that some Leave voters and politicians consider some means of leaving to be a 'betrayal'. The infighting among those who would nominally support Leave has caused this gridlock.

We need a second referendum on Remain vs whichever version of Leave gets the most support in the commons (likely TM's deal or CU 2.0). It seems to be the only way forward that respects the last referendum and our democracy as a whole.

(With the possible exception of a general election, but I doubt we'd see the landslide needed to resolve the present impasse).

Boris Johnson has gone very quiet.

Windowsareforcheaters

Not entirely true.

It would be a third referendum on the EU

How? Have I missed one?

"Entirely"

Well either it is or it isn't. Another referendum would be a third about belonging to the EU.

Personally, I don't think referenda are appropriate in a representative democracy but lots of people seem to think we need one.

Nowadays constitutional legality is irrelevant compared to people feelz is needed in regards to the constitution.

How? Have I missed one?

There was a referendum on remaining In the EU in 1975.

I don’t want a second referendum. I’d support revoking A50 with a view to invoking again if and when a plan that’s likely to gain approval can be agreed. Voted remain but I think that something needs to try and be done to leave with a satisfactory deal. What that looks like who knows! Or if it’s even possible.

What a mess.

Windowsareforcheaters

"entirely" is correct in this case as it depends how far you want to stretch "facts".

Technically the vote in 75 was about the EC/EEC or common market. Not about the Eu as the Eu didn't come into being until 93.

Thrash out a deal. Then hold a referendum on whether to remain or whether to leave with the above deal. And let’s make sure we are all aware of the ramifications of leaving with said deal.
Or we could just revoke.

I do wonder how David Cameron lives with himself.

There was a referendum on remaining In the EU in 1975

The EU hadn't been born in 1975. The EEC and The EU are completely different things...

Yabu to start this thread in AIBU. There's a Brexit topic for this type of boring shite, hundreds of threads all saying the same thing.

They should never have revoked article 50 without a proper plan in place

Semantics!

Wow - I think to claim a referendum on remaining in the EU or the EEC is different is different is definitely in nerd territory.

Now I consider myself a constitutional nerd but that really is pedantic.

No more referendums. They just create toxicity and division and create nothing positive. Back to representative parliamentary democracy. If that’s not completely fucked now as well.

1975, remaining or joining it?

They should never have revoked article 50 without a proper plan in place

Agreed. And it’s the same (largely anyway) parliamentarians who sleepwalked us into that who are now still fucking it al up.

A shameful state of affairs.

And the ECC was born in 75?

Windowsareforcheaters

Semantics!

History actually.