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Homophobia within the Muslim community

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thankssomuchforthat · 27/03/2019 09:07

Please can we keep this thread calm and good natured as this is a genuine question.
I was genuinely shocked at a spokesperson for the Muslim community on GMB condemning gay people as sinful. Saying being gay is fundamentally wrong. Saying most Muslim people vehemently believe this. Is this true? Or are gay Muslims tolerated within the community? What would happen if a Muslim teenager was gay. Would the family disown them?
Genuine question. I suppose I mix in circles that are tolerant of homosexuality.
Please keep comments nice and friendly.

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PhilSwagielka · 21/01/2020 20:16

@SmellyBeard you can't reason with people like that, sadly.

Also, is a collapse of ethnic solidarity among native Brits code for 'white people shagging/marrying outside their race'? Hmm

zsazsajuju · 21/01/2020 20:30

I have a close gay Muslim friend. He is openly gay but also a religious Muslim. I’m sure everyone doesn’t accept him but he doesn’t seem to generally have an issue on a day to day level. He lives at home with his family and is actively involved in his community, well I suppose both his communities.

I’m a religious Jew and we also have openly gay people in our community who are an integral part of it. Our community is progressive and so we welcome gay people same as anyone else. Many (maybe even most) religious people are not hateful or intolerant.

Gliese163 · 22/01/2020 12:01

I've heard Indian people say proudly "There are no gay Indians". What does that tell you?

Ramzan Kadyrov said the same thing about Chechnya.

crestedrobin · 22/01/2020 12:20

Our family all Christian, with a gay family member. It isn't a big deal to us. Yes most religions are against homosexuality but don't make a huge issue out of it in the same way Muslims do. Why down play it by saying "all religions are the same" type of thing. They aren't.

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Cantfindausernamethatsnottaken · 31/12/2021 18:05

Hi,no gay people are not tolerated in muslim communities .

bustersword · 31/12/2021 18:58

@Cantfindausernamethatsnottaken

Hi,no gay people are not tolerated in muslim communities .
What, all of them?
Cantfindausernamethatsnottaken · 31/12/2021 22:30

Not openly,obviously individual people may be tolerant.Being gay is haram-forbidden.

LadyMaid · 31/12/2021 23:54
Hmm
alibee26 · 01/01/2022 00:40

Being gay is forbidden but it doesn't mean that people are automatically hated for it.. there are good and bad people in all religions

Cocopopsss · 01/01/2022 00:45

ZOMBIE thread 🧟‍♀️

Newyearoldyou · 01/01/2022 00:59

It may be written but like anything written anywhere it doesn't actually dictate how real people feel and fall in love.
Many Muslim people are gay and many Muslims are fine with it.
There is a progressive imman in the UK or was in UK who allowed women to pray and gay Muslims and any one who wanted to practise the faith. Unfortunately the Muslim Council apparently were dreadful to him but.... Obviously like any other religion it moves forward and embraces everyone but the media is only interested in extreme cases of hompphobla etc.

Sometimeswinning · 01/01/2022 01:03

ZOMBIE thread

I don't think it matters really! People can still talk about it.

psydrive · 01/01/2022 01:24

@Cantfindausernamethatsnottaken

Not openly,obviously individual people may be tolerant.Being gay is haram-forbidden.
It's not like people can stop being gay. That's like saying being left handed or having brown hair is forbidden, it doesn't make sense.
IamtheDevilsAvocado · 01/01/2022 07:12

Yes a sixth former gay JW couple secretly together, were 'accused' in front of the entire congregation.

They then had to go before a panel of (male) elders to explain themselves. In a lot of detail Envy

Left in no doubt that if they acted on their feelings they would be shunned /ex communicated... Barbaric... where none of their families/friends were allowed to speak to them ever again.

They had both been in since birth... I heard some years later they had left the JWs and the town

voldr · 01/01/2022 13:43

@IamtheDevilsAvocado

Yes a sixth former gay JW couple secretly together, were 'accused' in front of the entire congregation.

They then had to go before a panel of (male) elders to explain themselves. In a lot of detail Envy

Left in no doubt that if they acted on their feelings they would be shunned /ex communicated... Barbaric... where none of their families/friends were allowed to speak to them ever again.

They had both been in since birth... I heard some years later they had left the JWs and the town

That's awful.
macnougat · 02/01/2022 13:00

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/30/qatars-bein-sports-accused-of-stoking-homophobia-after-pundits-outburst

Unfortunately many young Muslims will look up to people like Mohamed Aboutrik, who them come out saying that gay people should be ashamed.

And this year the world Cup is going to be held in a country where homosexuality is illegal. It's nuts.

Sportslady44 · 02/01/2022 15:01

What Is a muslim?

We are all just creatures on this planet and who cares what religious people think anyway.

Religion is hearsay , not proven fact why would anyone worry what a religious person thought.

Sometimeswinning · 02/01/2022 20:59

Religion is hearsay , not proven fact why would anyone worry what a religious person thought.

I'm sure the muslim gay community may be concerned!!

macnougat · 02/01/2022 22:43

@Sportslady44

What Is a muslim?

We are all just creatures on this planet and who cares what religious people think anyway.

Religion is hearsay , not proven fact why would anyone worry what a religious person thought.

I'd imagine people in religious countries where gay people are persecuted would worry.
RedHelenB · 02/01/2022 22:50

@thankssomuchforthat

To be honest its a genuine question. Hoping people can play nice and polite. It took me by surprise to hear someone being so strident against gay people. I was curious to hear from Muslims about what the general view is within the community. Hoping the discussion doesnt attract sarcasm and nastiness. I was just genuinely curious.
Hardly surprising given that the Bible says it's against God's laws that the Quarn says similar. But just like with Christianity there will be varying degrees of acceptance.
Cupcakeschocolate · 02/01/2022 23:17

*31crabfish

Im Muslim. Yes homosexually is not permitted in Islam. However, where people get confused is that we wouldn't treat someone like shit if they were. The pp above who said their friend who stopped talking to their gay friend is just horrific and is not what Islam teaches.

Muslims aren't homophobic. I have friends who are gay and I couldn't give a shit what their sexual orientation was.

If someone was to come out as gay in the Muslim community, they probably would be shunned/ disowned etc but that would be due to cultural beliefs which can be upheld more strongly than even religious ones. Islam would expect you to support the person and not brandish them as sinners or whatever or try to "revert" them back*

This

Sometimeswinning · 02/01/2022 23:29

If someone was to come out as gay in the Muslim community, they probably would be shunned/ disowned etc but that would be due to cultural beliefs which can be upheld more strongly than even religious ones. Islam would expect you to support the person and not brandish them as sinners or whatever or try to "revert" them back*

Perfectly put. This has been my experience!

electricdechocobo · 03/01/2022 12:41

Hardly surprising given that the Bible says it's against God's laws

Plenty of Christians would disagree with you, thankfully.

MmeSosostris · 03/01/2022 18:46

@Lweji

The Catholic Church doesn’t forbid homosexuality. Quite the opposite. It acknowledges it.

What it says is that sex is for procreation which should take place within the sacrament of marriage. Two same sex people can’t ‘procreate’ that way so it is a moot point.

Sex outside of marriage (the ‘sacrament’) is not acceptable traditionally although that seems to be changing (cue lots of people slagging the Church off for that next). Ole Franny recently said not to get too hung up on the whole thing - there’s bigger fish to fry (which is Catholicism in a nutshell). Everyone else pays far more attention to the rules than many Catholics, I think - we are not meant to be perfect, just a work in progress and those ‘rules’ are meant to be the best way for each individual to respect the ‘self’ within.