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Original poster

Aibu to be hopeful about the people’s vote?

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 15:20

And cross everything I have that anyone vaguely interested in remaining signs it? Don’t know how accurate this is but vince cable tweeted from the march earlier and said 60 per cent now in favour of remaining. No idea of the accuracy of those stats (or any, stats were wrong in June 2016) but surely remaining is better than this shit storm?

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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/03/2019 20:40

I know smell the horror 😱

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 23/03/2019 20:41

I womder if someone who is planning a bit of civil unrest could tell me what they are planning it would help no end!

Livelovebehappy · 23/03/2019 20:45

There will absolutely not be another referendum. Doesn’t matter how many people stamp their feet, tantrum, throw their dummies out of their prams, the vote has been and gone. The chance of another vote is as likely as Corbyn walking through the doors of number 10 - which is zero.

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 20:47

Love love, glad you’re so confident. The major broadsheets seem to disagree with you, thankfully. It is right up there with the other options.

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 20:48

Live love not love love

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IceRebel · 23/03/2019 20:50

But this isn't the Brexit board is it? It's AIBU. It's bleeding out across the whole fucking site.

I'm glad it's not being confined to the Brexit board. School threads don't get restricted to the education topic, and threads about dogs are not solely for the doghouse. This topic is a life changing event, it deserves to discussed all over the site.

ethelfleda · 23/03/2019 20:56

What I would like is for one leaver to explain to me why they think Brexit is a good thing... and not just ‘because we voted for it’
Please tell me why we would be better off out of the EU?

Livelovebehappy · 23/03/2019 21:07

But how would a repeat referendum work? What if remain wins by a very slim majority? Would it then be okay for leavers to demand yet another referendum because of the narrow majority, much the same as what Remainers are justifying another vote for now? And you couldn’t have the Remain camp dictating how the second referendum should be played, ie demanding that the majority has to be bigger, because it’s changing the rules to fall in with the demands of Remainers to make it harder for Brexit to win. It would be absolutely farcical and madness to even consider going down the route of a second referendum.

NigellasGuest · 23/03/2019 21:12

What happens if the vote is Leave again? Will you want the best of three or to keep going until you get the result you want?

Well the idea is to have on the ballot paper, along with remain/revoke, what KIND of Brexit/leave. THATS THE POINT. I'm getting fed up with leavers who regurgitate the same rubbish the time, best of three, undemocratic, blah blah blah

Windowsareforcheaters · 23/03/2019 21:13

people stamp their feet, tantrum, throw their dummies out of their prams

Peaceful protest, petitions = active citizenship or a tantrum?

This is democracy in action. This is freedom of speech and the right to protest. This is what makes our country great in a very real sense. If there is anything we should be patriotic about it is that over a million people take to the streets and make their views known peacefully.

What we have seen today is the very essence of what makes this country great. Not threats of violence or civil disobedience but peaceful protest.

And it is dismissed as a tantrum. Welcome to post Brexit Britain.

RickOShay · 23/03/2019 21:16

I think people didn’t know what they were voting for, also the leave campaign was littered with ‘inaccuracies’.

ScreamingValenta · 23/03/2019 21:17

What happens if the vote is Leave again?

The referendum would need to be Remain vs. Leave with [x] deal (i.e. whatever deal has been voted in or no deal if applicable).

If a majority of people still want to leave with whatever excuse for a deal has been agreed, and in the full knowledge that the NHS aren't going to get all the suddenly leftover EU money, then so be it.

Smellbellina · 23/03/2019 21:17

I think if Brexit was voted for a second time people would be inclined to accept the inevitable.

Windowsareforcheaters · 23/03/2019 21:19

Working on the assumption that leavers have educated themselves and done research, because they assure us they have, then you should be aware of how a three way referendum would work.

You will also be aware that most democracies call for a higher majority when a major constitutional change is being voted on. You will be able to reference Congress and note the percentages needed there.

You will also be aware that neither campaign will dictate because we have an electoral commission.

I'm so glad leavers have educated themselves and no one needs to explain these points.

IceRebel · 23/03/2019 21:21

The referendum would need to be Remain vs. Leave with [x] deal

Exactly, in order to vote for leave there actually needs to be something tangible. Leave on it's own isn't something you can vote for. It's a meaningless statement, a blank page for someone else to come up with what you actually voted.

If another referendum were to happen and leave was actually presented as a concept, a plan with tangible outcomes and it got the majority vote then so be it. At least people will know what they have voted for.

QueenOfThorns · 23/03/2019 21:32

YABU for going on about it. Change the fucking record for Christ's sake. I'm sick of hearing and reading about Brexit. I don't care which side you're on. IDGAF.

Thankfully no one I know even talks about it, it's just nut bars on the internet who can't think about anything else.

Well, this has to be the scariest thing I’ve seen on this thread (despite threats of queue jumping and questionable cafe etiquette)! Some people are in for a rude awakening. Guess what - it won’t go away because you choose to ignore it and it will have a massive impact on your life and the lives of everyone you know.

PortiaCastis · 23/03/2019 21:36

I did not have a tantrum nor did I throw my dummy out, I got on a train last night and got into London this morning to march for my daughter's future and am now on a train going home having done that march with thousands and thousands and thousands of like minded people who got up off their arses to try and do something about their future and who now have sore feet but know they and I have tried.
Don't threaten civil disorder because arrests will be made and then we'll all have to pay police and prison officers overtime through our taxes and that will not bode well either

LaFamilleMarsaud · 23/03/2019 21:36

As for the petition, rigged full of fake signatures.

You do realise that British citizens, wherever they might be in the world are entitled to sign the petition. Yes, even in North Korea, where we have a consulate and perhaps a British citizen working there signed it.

ScreamingValenta · 23/03/2019 21:39

The BBC seem to think the signatures are largely genuine:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47668946

ethelfleda · 23/03/2019 21:48

Anyone? No?

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/03/2019 22:17

LaFamilleMarsaud

You do realise that if this were the other way around some remainers would also be claiming that it was rigged?

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/03/2019 22:19

ScreamingValenta
What happens if the vote is Leave again?

The referendum would need to be Remain vs. Leave with [x] deal (i.e. whatever deal has been voted in or no deal if applicable).

In order for a new referendum to be fair it would have to have stages.

leave vs remain

then different leave options.

Windowsareforcheaters · 23/03/2019 22:21

People make lots of claims about lots of things that's why we look at the evidence.

There are several links on this thread discussing the factual basis for claims for and against.

People claim Elvis is alive doesn't mean they are right or we should pay any attention to the,.

keepforgettingmyusername · 23/03/2019 22:23

'Remainers just cannot accept the fact Leave won. Seriously you are undermining everything our elders fought so hard to protect. As for the petition, rigged full of fake signatures. Disgusting how people can interfere with Democracy when it suits their narrative.'

Interfering with democracy would be shutting down petitions and peaceful protests. Interfering with democracy would be misleading the public during a campaign to leave the EU.