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Aibu to be hopeful about the people’s vote?

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 15:20

And cross everything I have that anyone vaguely interested in remaining signs it? Don’t know how accurate this is but vince cable tweeted from the march earlier and said 60 per cent now in favour of remaining. No idea of the accuracy of those stats (or any, stats were wrong in June 2016) but surely remaining is better than this shit storm?

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TabbyMumz · 23/03/2019 17:10

I don't think anything should change us heading for brexit, especially a silly petition that will be signed by people not eligible to vote, and a crowd full of the same, bolstered up by half of them taking their kids along.

Namenic · 23/03/2019 17:11

LeSquigh - if most people don’t want no deal, would you be ok with WA and if not that then Norway?

Can you see how some people may have voted thinking that there would be a smooth transition - they may not have anticipated the Irish border issue. On seeing this SOME people may have changed their mind? Some brexiteers would also prefer remain to no deal. Some remainers would also have changed their mind to Brexit as well. A 2nd referendum with the different options there will allow people to more accurately express choice and allow for compromise.

AV referendum with different options is NOT a re-run of the first referendum. Plenty of places have more than 1 referendum on the same issue. And we do have early general elections

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 17:14

Lesquig - Why is prompting civil unrest ‘ok’ for the 52 per cent but not the 48? Should remainers be out there creating civil unrest now? That logic is just silly. All of us feel strongly. That’s why it was so stupid to do a 50-50 referendum - unless you have a large majority for one standpoint, you risk alienating a significant minority - in this case approximately half the electorate. Either which way.

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Alsohuman · 23/03/2019 17:18

Why wouldn’t people take their kids on the march? It’s their future we’re fucking with.

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 17:21

I havre friends there. It’s very busy, and they would be utterly bored. We march for them in my view, not necessarily with them.

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shitholiday2018 · 23/03/2019 17:22

I’m talking primary age here, older and interested then hell yes.

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TabbyMumz · 23/03/2019 17:29

Why wouldn’t people take their kids on the march? It’s their future we’re fucking with....

I think it's morally wrong, as it's not their choice to do so and you have no idea if they will agree with what the march is about. I would never do that to my kids. They are not old enough to vote either and it makes the march look bigger than it is.

CaptainButtock · 23/03/2019 17:30

"If we don't leave, there will be civil unrest"

Never mind...reckon I can outrun a mobility scooter.

ethelfleda · 23/03/2019 17:31

Mrs Brown's Boys being voted the best sitcom of the 21st century has taught us anything, it's that the British public shouldn't be allowed to vote for stuff

Grin
BlueEyedBengal · 23/03/2019 17:31

I voted for brexit as did my town and I know full well what it meant. The fact is if brexit don't go through democracy has died. I and many I have spoken to have said you can't have another vote just because you didn't agree with the majority. And a lot of people me included will never vote again as it means nothing and mps have been voting against the wish's of the people who voted for them to deliver the wishes of the people, not their personal interests. I speak as an ex labour voter from a labour heartland and people are not happy with the way it's been sabotaged by remainders who lost the vote. Goodbye democracy it was nice knowing you.

ethelfleda · 23/03/2019 17:31

Doing anything at all to appease people threatening criminal offences if they don’t get their own way, seems like a bad idea to me

Agree!

JacquesHammer · 23/03/2019 17:33

Goodbye democracy it was nice knowing you

Decocracy isn’t a finite tool that ends at a ballot box. It is an ever-evolving, ever-present process.

Discussions surrounding Brexit is the very definition of democracy.

ethelfleda · 23/03/2019 17:34

blueeyed do you think we live in a democratic country? Have you heard of the House of Lords?

I believe in the democratic decision that allowed Ireland and the UK to sign the good Friday agreement. Which, unlike our referendum, was voted for by an overwhelming majority. And seeing as Brexit contravenes the GFA, I think it should be cancelled.

JacquesHammer · 23/03/2019 17:35

as it means nothing and mps have been voting against the wish's of the people who voted for them to deliver the wishes of the people, not their personal interests

Except that isn’t how the system of government works in the U.K....we’re a representative democracy NOT a direct democracy

Alsohuman · 23/03/2019 17:40

“If I don’t get my own way I’m never voting again.” Frankly I don’t see that as much of a loss to democracy.

Windowsareforcheaters · 23/03/2019 17:40

Goodbye democracy it was nice knowing you

That's right because more voting is the end to democracy?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 23/03/2019 17:43

"If we don't leave, there will be civil unrest"

I’m pretty sure “Leave” tried to organise several Go Slow protests on various U.K. motorways.
Nothing happened. I think Leavers are mostly full of hot air. There’s the odd extremist which is genuinely worrying but mostly they are all mouth and no trousers.

Chlo1674 · 23/03/2019 17:46

Unfortunately I think Brexit is going to happen one way or another. The Tory party won’t want to lose votes by going against their core electorate’s wishes (even if it is the right thing to do).

dreichuplands · 23/03/2019 17:47

I am also unsure why the people who stated they voted once and will never vote again if their vote is carried through to what they feel is its logical conclusion is should have priority over those of us that vote everytime they are asked to and continue to do so.
I have voted for parties that haven't been elected, parties who have been elected and haven't kept their manifesto commitments, parties who have part kept their commitments, parties that have unexpectedly done truly bizarre things unexpectedly.
I keep on voting. I live in a democracy. It is my social duty. Actually I currently live overseas but I am still registered to vote.

ScreamingValenta · 23/03/2019 17:52

Petition has just passed 4.5 million. Keep sharing it and let people who may want to sign but don't use the internet much know of its existence.

Dungeondragon15 · 23/03/2019 17:54

I don't see how they can have another vote now as it's not a yes/no question anymore. Also, there is no guarantee that the vote will be to stay in the EU as I bet that some people will abstain even if they want to remain as they will see a second vote as undemocratic. It is ridiculous that we are in this situation as it was a very marginal win for leave and could have been very different if the campaigners hadn't lied.

It would be great if the just revoke article 50 but I doubt that will happen either. The best we can hope for is probably close ties to the EU for the next few years until we can get back in. I have no doubt that our children and grandchildren will not thank those who voted to leave.

CarolDanvers · 23/03/2019 17:56

If there's another referendum and it's still leave then I will stand by that result as much as sticks in my throat. The first referendum was based on false and incomplete information and was Tory show boating. Many people simply did not understand what they were voting for. With all the information we now have there should be another referendum.

Figmentofmyimagination · 23/03/2019 17:58

Revoking A50 is much safer, along the lines suggested by G Osborne. Shocked to find that we actually agree on something. Revoke A50 followed by a period of reflection on what is actually possible, and then whichever political party dares can propose a fresh referendum.

Meanwhile, we can have the promised judge-led public inquiry into brexit - about time - now that is good news - see guardian.

YeOldeTrout · 23/03/2019 17:59

I don't want Brexit at all but I don't see how we can have PV.
EU has already reallocated UK's parliamentary seats for instance.
Norway doesn't want us in EEA.
Nobody (& I mean nobody) wants to face MEP elections right now, or ever again, let's be honest.

My first choice is WA & revoke is 2nd. Pile of crap choices, admittedly.

Dungeondragon15 · 23/03/2019 18:00

I voted for brexit as did my town and I know full well what it meant. The fact is if brexit don't go through democracy has died. I and many I have spoken to have said you can't have another vote just because you didn't agree with the majority. And a lot of people me included will never vote again as

Lol. Do you think that those who want to revoke article 50 will be upset at the idea of you and others who voted to leave not bothering to vote again? Most would see it as a bonus!