Just a reminder that we are nearly 3/17 of the way to getting it revoked

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

2.65million.
Andrea Leadsom said there would be clear case for taking action if it reached 17million.

Signature are checked from email address though.

People can have loads of email accounts and put down all sorts of addresses.

You could know half your Street voted leave and create a nice email address for them no 24 great Brexit road Lowestoft.... and press sign..

It's s good show of feeling definitely but it's not a safe way to vote

I signed it as a protest. I wanted my tiny voice to be heard. I was andstill am a Remainer but the way the entire debacle has been handled makes me very angry. So I signed an online petition so my voice is out there.

That's an incredibly nasty and vicious thing to say.

This is a bit dramatic - it is a fact that a lot of people who voted leave AND remain have now passed away.

2.9 million now. I think the Referendum as a simple in or out vote was undemocratic as we should have had details of the deal.I am older, voted remain and will vote remain again if the chance arises.

It was 37% of the electorate who voted so of course this will cause division. This should definitely have been a cross party consultation due to the fact it is a once in a lifetime vote unlike a 5 yr term after a GE.

They have checks- which is why the previous petition was reduced- there were bots
But anyone who uses bots or who vote multiple times is not doing the petition any favours. They check it against the electoral register (and you can bet your life they will).

Those who agree, vote. Those who don't, dont.
It is democracy in action- that was the point of the online petitions being set up decades ago.

Do you think Remainers and Leavers live in magically different worlds? Do you think Remainers want what’s best only for people who agree with them? Or do you think just maybe they realise that it is THE UK GOVERNMENT who has caused/failed to address the problems Leavers are concerned about? And are very concerned and worried not just about themselves but about the poorest and most vulnerable members of society regardless of how they voted? Do you think Remainers are upset because they ‘lost’?

So basically Nite, this is just a rehash of the 'Poor, likkle ignorant Leavers, they just didn't understand we the good and bountiful, educated remainers must explain to them really slowly, why their votes didn't matter and how we're going to them from themselves' rhetoric that has been going around since the ref. and in answer to your questions, yes that is how it comes across to me, as a leave voter.

I'm really not fussed about a second ref. I will use my one vote, how I see fit at the time, as I did before. However, what really cannot stomach is the failure and arrogance of some remainers on here tto open their minds and understand that for some people like me, the status quo is shit and has been for a long time, so we grabbed at a chance for change. I can understand why if it's been working for you why you would want to keep it as is, but you can't seem to do the same in reverse. That lack of insight is what is causing anger. Unttil that changes the anger will continue.

Because you advocate lying and cheating but only when it's in favour of something you support.

I still want people who voted leave because their lives are shit and they grabbed a chance for change to give some concrete examples of how a no deal Brexit is going to improve their lives.

Because you advocate lying and cheating but only when it's in favour of something you support.

Now that's just silly. Let's try some reading comprehension:

Personally, I don't care if it's been botted...I don't care if parliament hand-waves it away when they have to debate it. I don't care if it changes nothing. All this means is that I am still in the same state I was before the petition existed. I care that it's a brief moment of like-minded people sharing a small bit of solidarity and sticking two fingers up at this, frankly, farce of a government.

What this means, in context, is that it might well have been botted, it might well fail to achieve anything anyway, but this doesn't matter to me because what does matter is that people have stood up in solidarity and let their voices be heard.

The requirement for debate in parliament is 100,000 names (not votes, as some people are saying, this is a petition and not an election or referendum). That is the most it can achieve. And bots or no bots, it's hard to deny it has achieved that benchmark.

This is not advocacy of cheating or lying. Hope that helps.

I did that on my first thread and many others Sooty, I'm not typing it again just so you can kick and belittle me as you did on my first thread and others. Search my UN to refresh your memory.

Just a reminder that we are nearly 3/17 of the way to getting it revoked

That's about as factually incorrect as the bus posters before the referendum.

if this petiton does achieve anything, i'm going to jack mumsnet in for good and i've been on here a few good years .

No, no, no OP you have it all wrong.

"Keep having referendums to get the result we want" - undemocratic.

Teresa May keep voting on the same deal over and over until she gets the result she wants - fine.

Surely someone would need to go through each signature and make sure each one is eligible to vote

Only if the referendum is cancelled because shitloads of people who were eligible to vote were disenfranchised by their postal ballot papers arriving late.

@iwantatattoo check your junk mail.
I did it once, nothing came through, did again and same thing.
Mentioned it on Facebook and someone told me to check my junk mail and there they were!

Justtheretogiveaviewfrommyworld

I don't recall anything you said in terms of explanation that I found at all convincing.
And that applies to other Leave voters as well.

MaMaMaMySharona

This is a bit dramatic - it is a fact that a lot of people who voted leave AND remain have now passed away.

That's not what the poster @AlsoHuman said though - they said some of the LEAVERS are dead - nothing about remainers.

And we know they said it to be nasty. So don't pretend otherwise.

If we throw democracy out of the window over this we'll have far bigger problems than Brexit in the future.

@MaMaMaMySharona

This is a bit dramatic - it is a fact that a lot of people who voted leave AND remain have now passed away.

That's not what the poster @AlsoHuman said though - they said some of the LEAVERS are dead - nothing about remainers.

And we know they said it to be nasty. So don't pretend otherwise.

If we throw democracy out of the window over this we'll have far bigger problems than Brexit in the future.

I hear this a lot - like what, exactly?

Let's say the government, after 3 years of chasing its tail and banging its collective had against a wall, decides to revoke A50. What happens next in your opinion?

I don't recall anything you said in terms of explanation that I found at all convincing.
And that applies to other Leave voters as well.

Ah, so it's not just "tell me reasons", it's "tell me the reasons when I have already decided there are none and all leave voters are stupid morons"

Bit pointless really, isn't it.

One thing I learned a while ago - you can write people off as stupid and useless and whine about the things they do in order to make yourself feel superior, but if you really really want to understand what is going on you need to engage with folk not just write them off. In fact, writing people off as stupid useless and unwanted may well be a considerable factor in how we got here.

but just keep telling yourself you're better and you care more.

May should have had the honesty and decency to admit from the outset that delivering Brexit under the terms of Cameron's ridiculous referendum was a non starter.

If we throw democracy out of the window over this we'll have far bigger problems than Brexit in the future

Yes we hear this again and again. And I will say again and again that a no deal exit does not honour the referendum result. Leave campaigners said that we would have a managed, not a sudden, exit, and some said we would stay in the EEA/Single Market/CU.

A no deal exit is undemocratic.

@badlydrawnperson its important to establish the reasons even if they are badly thought out or spurious.

All the stuff about listening and engaging with folk, that is exactly what people are doing when they point out that the reasons are incorrect whilst being specific about why.

They then get told they aren't listening.

There is a difference between not agreeing and not listening.

@justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld

So basically Nite, this is just a rehash of the 'Poor, likkle ignorant Leavers, they just didn't understand, and we - the good and bountiful, educated remainers must explain to them really slowly, why their votes didn't matter and how we're going to them from themselves' rhetoric that has been going around since the ref. and in answer to your questions, yes that is how it comes across to me, as a leave voter.

I'm really not fussed about a second ref. I will use my one vote, how I see fit at the time, as I did before. However, what really cannot stomach is the failure and arrogance of some remainers on here to open their minds and understand that for some people like me, the status quo is shit and has been for a long time, so we grabbed at a chance for change. I can understand why if it's been working for you why you would want to keep it as is, but you can't seem to do the same in reverse. That lack of insight is what is causing anger. Until that changes the anger will continue.

Very good post! 👏🏼

Very well put!