Just a reminder that we are nearly 3/17 of the way to getting it revoked

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

2.65million.
Andrea Leadsom said there would be clear case for taking action if it reached 17million.

badlydrawnperson I specifically said a no deal Brexit.

I don't just doubt the intelligence of people who still advocate that solution. I doubt their sanity quite frankly.

Checking signatures against the electoral roll? Who is going to do that and how much money would that waste? Assuming they can all be checked by the deadline.
Another post says that children can vote so they won't even be on the electoral register .
I'm really laughing at a PP who lost her petition confirmation email and the checked the spam and there THEY were. How many signatures was that then?
Its not a quantifiable poll so not worth anything.

"the status quo is shit and has been for a long time, so we grabbed at a chance for change."

Yes you voted for a change for the worse.

If things are shit for you now they are going to get considerably worse for you after Brexit.

You and others need to stop invoking the anger vote because in the main the anger vote was nothing to do with the European Union and the impact it has on the country. Even when you try to give a vague sense of justification it turns out that its factually incorrect.

If you voted out because you are angry with the status quo you didn't vote for what was on the ballot.

There is a difference between not agreeing and not listening.

I agree 100%

But it is utterly pointless to repeatedly trot out that arse about no leavers giving any reasons when you mean no reasons you agree with.

As for your claim to be able to say what is right and wrong. Beyond a few things we generally agree upon, the rest is opinion. Many "facts" cited on each side are nothing of the sort, they opinions masquerading as facts to suit the opinion being expressed.

As I said, pretending that having a particular opinion indicates intelligence is pompous and arrogant in the extreme.

@Alsohuman

There wouldn’t be 17.4 million pissed off leavers, some of them are dead now

And there are many people so hacked off with Europe that they are now pro leave, when they weren’t originally.

The media have dubbed it “lexiteer”, and I’m one of them. Now that we have started this awful mess I think we have to leave; we will have no power left if we crawl back anyway.

For such a huge decision, there should have been at least 65% of the electorate voting to leave. Leaving the EU will have a devastating effect in so many ways.

Also many 18-20 year olds who were under 18 three years ago would vote to remain if they were given the opportunity.

Sorry for my ignorance, but why should it be revoked?

Because they cannot deliver what was promised. Brexit campaigners stated that the deal would be agreed well in advance of leaving, that we would definitely get a deal that worked in our favour etc
That's patently not true or possible. So we should have the chance to vote on actual Brexit rather than theoretical brexit which we now see doesn't exist.

If things are shit for you now they are going to get considerably worse for you after Brexit.

That is utterly unknowable - no-one can possible know that for sure.

Get a grip. Leave won the referendum. You can't keep voting until you get the answer you want.

Theresa May had made an absolute joke of this country. We need someone else who can get the best deal for our country.

I'm hoping that the silver lining in this whole fiasco is that people take their vote seriously in future - i.e. people actually vote rather than not voting and then whinging afterwards, and that they actually do a bit of research so that they know exactly what they're voting for.

The "both sides were wrong" thing is spurious.

Leave took factually incorrect points and made them a key part of the campaign.

Remain used forcasts based on different scenarios and used them, they may not have all come true, but then the situations weren't exact either.

The leave campaign even took valid points made and used hyperbole to make them absurd and inaccurately portrayed.

There is a big difference.

The sunk cost effect argument (i.e. the "we've wasted too much time and energy, so let's just get it over with" argument) is ridiculous- it's like someone saying that as they've committed to hanging themselves and spent lots of time buying and then setting up the rope- they have to follow through with it.

This will not be over once we've left, we'll just be dealing with the consequences for years.

"That is utterly unknowable - no-one can possible know that for sure."

Yup you can.

Using every scenario going, the poorest people and poorest areas are the worst hit by brexit of all kinds.

I don’t want it to be revoked, we had a vote and we voted to leave. We’re likely going to leave in April without a deal because of petulant remoaner politicians who keep blocking any type of deal.

Lilabet many 18 -20 years who were under 18 three years ago would vote to remain if they were given the opportunity maybe so but it isn't a sure fire thing that they would even bother voting. most people don't bother in the local elections because they think their vote doesn't make any difference.

"because of petulant remoaner politicians who keep blocking any type of deal."

Stuff like this doesn't help your cause.

Go look at who the majority of MPs voting against the deal, and campaigning against it were. They weren't remainers.

cluedo cameron made a joke of the country by starting the whole thing then running off, theresa is trying to keep it together and get it sorted. she could have walked but has done the right thing and sticking with it.
could you do any better as pm ? i doubt many of us on here wouldn't have the first clue where to start.

We voted on one sentence.

When Scotland had an independence referendum, they had a 640 page document outlining the plans, what the implications would be, etc. They had years, and countless debates and opportunities to understand exactly what it would look like. Then they voted.

We had a bus, lies and extreme propaganda on both sides. There were NO plans to review and vote on. Nobody knew what type of brexit they were or were not voting for.

As it turns out, none of our politicians have been able to make a brexit plan that would work for our country. Not one. Nobody agrees on what brexit should look like. No deal will be catastrophic.

I don't get why anybody wouldn't want another chance to vote, now that the most likely deal (or no deal) is clear. We have a lot better idea of what brexit would look like; is this still what we want?

The only reason I can think of to not want another vote is that you're afraid it will go the other way. In which case, you're clinging on to what you want, not speaking up for democracy.

The thing is this decision was very complicated - it seems like MPs didn't really understand all the implications. How could an average voter do enough research in time for the referendum to make an informed decision. The referendum should have been phrased differently and Brexit shouldn't have been launched into on the basis of ONE vote. In life when you are making an important decision and it emerges that you are potentially going down the wrong path or getting in a muddle it would be seen as crazy not to explore other options when they are available.

Has anyone who is really convinced multiple signings are possible successfully signed the leave petition more than once?

3/17 of the way to getting it revoked?
Because of an online petition.
Ok yeah 😂😂😂😂

We voted on one sentence.

Exactly.

There wasn't nearly enough information about what Leavers were voting for but people voted for it anyway.

In the absence of proper information I voted for the status quo, i.e. Stay

theresafoxunderthedecking she has come back with one deal which only works for the EU's benefit. We would be locked into the backstop.

We would be better leaving with no deal than a deal where we were still beholden to the EU.

She is a remainer at heart and hasn't fought for what we need.

lees regarding the 640 page document that scotland had, was that for the powers that be or the general public to view ? i don't want to be flippant but i do diy and odd jobs around the home for a living, you'd be surprised the number of people who won't read the instructions for a simple flat pack desk. so i doubt they'd read lots of political gumph tbh.

cluedo yes, that's very true, but the thing is are there any takers ready to step up to the plate to take over. if your surname is corbyn don't apply there's enough trouble already.