Just a reminder that we are nearly 3/17 of the way to getting it revoked

[NCforpoo]

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

2.65million.
Andrea Leadsom said there would be clear case for taking action if it reached 17million.

'why should it be revoked? There was a democratic vote, you seem to be disregarding the 17million people who voted out.'

It was advisory. Decisions are made in Parliament - not by referendum.

@NannyRed

My perception is that people aren't wanting to revoke it to 'get their own way' and remain (well, some people might, but certainly not me).

I would actually prefer another referendum be held with the options of
a) remain
b) leave with no deal
c) leave with May's agreed deal

One issue I foresee for this is if, say, 25% of people vote for no deal and 30% of people vote for May's deal, that's 55% wanting to leave and 45% wanting to remain, but remain would win in this scenario.

For me, the idea of revoking is to give ourselves no deadline on sorting out how to do what is best for the country - I think we should still leave eventually as this was what was decided, unless a new referendum gives a different result.

Hasn’t the brexit campaign been accused/charged of being misleading? Fined for going against campaign rules?

Surely that is enough of a reason to call another vote? If people voted brexit because they believed it would halt immigration/mean the nhs got an extra trillion/whatever they advertised and were not making an informed decision, then they should be allowed to vote again?

CoffeeRunner's image sums it up for me!

And since when were referenda, petitions and so forth not democratic?

"And you do realize the hackers have been competing to put he most signatures on, don’t you?"

Its actually hackers that keep bringing the site down.

Funny how if it was this easy to hack and falsify the leave with no deal one has been stuck on 300,000 for ages.

It isn’t going to be revoked. I voted remain but the reality is it isn’t going to be revoked based on some online signatures.

There is no history of laws being changed because of online petitions. This isn’t any different.

I don’t agree with how TM is behaving here but equally there is absolutely no way this petition is going to make an ounce of difference to the outcome.

It’s reached 1M signatures already, therefore it should be debated in parliament but when is that supposed to happen? Likely not before we leave at any rate and even if it were, it’s already been dismissed by the government. It’s not a case of get so many signatures therefore we will do as requested. It’s a case of we’ll debate and still throw out the idea.

Remember parliament voted against revoking article 50 only a couple of weeks ago.

And why would the government listen to a petition when they haven't listened to a referendum? The one where everyone got the opportunity to have a say?

MaMaMaMySharona
I'm happy to agree with that- the way I see it I can't see anyone being happy with the prospect of leaving with no deal (at least those who understand what that means) so let's give ourselves time to at least make a bad situation better.
It's just such a mess it can't end well.

And you do realize the hackers have been competing to put he most signatures on, don’t you?

I keep seeing people making this claim, but i've yet to see any actual proof that it's happening.

Oh a petition to revoke the result of a democratic vote, in the name of democracy - great! 👍

And why would the government listen to a petition when they haven't listened to a referendum?

I thought the whole reason we were in this mess was because they had listened to the ill advised and illegally funded referendum?

cloudyy I think yes that is a good example of democracy. 3 years later another vote. on something that most people don't fully understand

@NCforpoo you'd be surprised! I made the mistake of reading Daily Fail comments the other day, some of the opinions on there are truly terrifying.

Yea sign the petition . You didn't get YOUR way so let's revoke it .

None of you take into account the 17.4 MILLION pissed off Leavers .

Democracy ?? Its DEAD in this cuntry and the truly vile biased SKY News and BBC News are constantly getting REMAINERS on TV . Sick of them and sick of you lot with your please sign . Anti democratic the lot of you

"Oh a petition to revoke the result of a democratic vote, in the name of democracy -"

The vote was advisory.

It was tainted by cheating by the leave campaign that would have invalidated it if it was binding.

Arguing for democracy in this light is hypocritical, never mind when the same people lambaste MPs, Judges, and Peers for undertaking their constitutional roles.

Leavers have had 3 years and most of the positions of power to demonstrate that this was a good idea.

They've failed and failed to take any responsibility for it.

Yea sign the petition . You didn't get YOUR way so let's revoke it

Once again I find myself explain something that I would have thought is quite simple.

People don't want to revoke it just to 'get their own way'. The way Brexit has been handled by our government is downright criminal - surely the idea of May's deal or no deal aren't appealing to you?

I voted to remain, and in an ideal world I still would, but I don't see this as a viable option. As I explained upthread, revoking Article 50 would just give everyone an unlimited amount of time to sort out how to leave in a way which doesn't completely destroy our economy for generations to come.

I cannot understand why someone wouldn't want that.

There wouldn’t be 17.4 million pissed off leavers, some of them are dead now.

You didn't get YOUR way so let's revoke it

This is the problem. You lot see it as all about 'who won'. No regard for the actual consequences. No attention paid to the GFA, the implications for the people of NI if we crash out with no deal. No understanding of why people are so concerned. Just a belief that the only reason people might want to revoke is that they didn't get their way. Pathetic.

Why do people keep going on a bout the 17 million how many leavers now regret their choice - of the leavers I know half now would vote to remain and feel they made a mistake. At the risk of sounding ill informed because I don't know a lot about politics why are the politicians allowed multiple votes and the people only get one?

Whilst I’m not keen on leaving and less keen on a no deal Brexit, I don’t think a democrat vote can just be ignored

It hasn't. Article 50 has been triggered, but we can't come to a sensible accommodation that respects the vote while not destroying the UK (in fact we can, it's called staying in the EEA but May ruled that out).

Leave materials promised that we would leave with a settlement and we wouldn't just leave suddenly. So there's a promise there to keep, too.

So a no deal Brexit does NOT respect the vote. At all. For leavers or remainers.

This is the problem. You lot see it as all about 'who won'. No regard for the actual consequences.

Exactly, a lot of the areas who voted for leave will be worse off for it, but they don't seem to understand or realise this. It's all just we won you lost, blah blah blah. They don't seem to comprehend that those who want to revoke may actually be doing them a favour.

its not an elcetion its a pettition means nothing-shes already said shes asked for a delay and wont be revoking anything

Sorry for my ignorance, but why should it be revoked? There was a democratic vote, you seem to be disregarding the 17million people who voted out.
Whilst I’m not keen on leaving and less keen on a no deal Brexit, I don’t think a democrat vote can just be ignored.

So I assume you can't support Theresa bringing her deal back to Parliament then? Since they voted against it twice. They also voted against leaving with no deal. Which leaves us with revoke, really. So I assume you've already signed, since you value democracy so much?