Just a reminder that we are nearly 3/17 of the way to getting it revoked

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

2.65million.
Andrea Leadsom said there would be clear case for taking action if it reached 17million.

. The country is not mostly made up of politicians, businessmen/women and bankers, so leaving such a massive decision with the majority of us who don't understand the full implications of it is irresponsible.

and here's me thinking we live in a democracy, where even 'thickos' i.e. not a banker or business woman, like me get to vote if they are at least 18yo and registered to vote.

Jesus weptt, and people wonder why some leavers voted out of anger at being continually stereotyped as being to dim to take a view on matters 'not for the likes of them'.

why don't our leaders simply revoke article 50, decide what's best, and then re-invoke it when they're good and ready?
Please No. With all due respect to remainders the UK has got this far, either revoke for good or leave.
Brexit has had to many countries time and energy for to long now.

People voted without the correct information.
People were lied to and misled.
Many people now have different views and would vote differently given the chance.
Leaving Europe is something that we really, really shouldn’t do.

Given the complete mess we are currently in I would love for a complete change to happen.

I would love for us to Remain, but I totally accept the Leave vote result.

What I don't accept is the current clusterfuck we have.

Despite being a Remainer I actually feel sorry for Leavers.

They want the result of the referendum to be upheld, and it could be so easily done in a way that would keep us pesky remainers happy, but due to the incompetence of both parties it lookslike it won't happen

No Leave voter wanted this. Not one.

That's not true, I've seen at least one Leave Mnetter (I think her name is Scarlet) who says that this was what she voted for. You see this is a big part of the problem. Not all Leave voters voted Leave for the same reason. Some voted for reasons entirely separate from the EU, like they believed the NHS would really be 350million per week better off and some did it because they didn't like the way some Remainers spoke to them.

@Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld um I didn't say anyone was a thicko, I said people in general still don't understand what Brexit means. That doesn't make someone is a thicko or not deserving of the right to vote . Just that many of us shouldn't have had to vote on something like this, at least not without the full details and breakdown of what/where/how/when/why. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not a banker either, I was including myself in those who don't fully grasp what it entails. Am I wrong? Do you think everyone knows what's going on to a great extent? doubt it.

I voted remain. On a personal level I’d love it if Brexit was cancelled but I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. Ok the referendum was advisory but people were told the gov would act on their choice. It’s not those peoples fault the gov made an arse of it then and continue to do so.

I don’t think leaving with no deal is a viable option though. People don’t get to run the country into the ground because “democracy”. Ultimately yes we did vote leave and leave we should but in an orderly fashion. It was a marginal result and the gov owe duties to the whole country to get it right not just the leave voters. They are supposed to act in the best interests of all of us not just half the country.

I don’t think we should have another referendum but it’s clear the U.K. through their own government’s mishandling of the mess isn’t in any fit state to leave yet. I think a long extension is needed and if the EU won’t grant it then maybe we need to revoke article 50 with a view to invoking again once a satisfactory deal has been obtained.

We'll never get a "satisfactory" deal because too many people have too many ideas of what they think should happen.
I might have been tempted to vote for leave, should they have had a clear plan and vision, but since they didn't, I voted to remain.

americandream

Your facts are completely wrong

Over 60% (i think it was 64) of 18 to 24 year olds voted in the 2016 referendum

Its one of those myths/lies that just doesnt seem to die

And they are the ones who seem to be shouting the loudest

Yeha id shout if people kept telling fibs about me

I can't see why it would be revoked if the petition is being signed by people who were not part of the original voting pool.

And as for people saying we should only vote when we know what the outcome will be, well until we leave the EU or don't we won't know what the outcomes will be, it will be an ever changing process dependant on what deals we strike with other countries. No one knows if the economy will implode, the lights go out and the people stockpiling would have been right or wrong.

I believe in democracy too (this country isn’t democratic by the way, see: House of Lords)

The good Friday agreement was voted for democratically accords Ireland, only that was a clear majority (unlike ours) and seeing as Brexit contravenes the GFA, I think it should be cancelled. I believe the GFA should take precedent over Brexit.

I was chatting yesterday to someone about the "What leave means" thing and and she put it in a way that made sense to a lot of us -

"It's like we had an election and were asked 'do you want a Tory government? Yes or No' and 'No' won. Except some people thought that would lead to a Labour government, some Lib Dem, some Green, some UKIP. Most of the 'No' campaign was basically promising Labour, but now we're getting UKIP. Any of those will give you the 'not Tory' result, but the outcomes are very different, and many people would feel if they were asked which one they wanted from the list available, they might have stuck with Tory. We need a 2nd vote to be clear which option we want, including sticking with what we've got."

@RottenCooking

@Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld um I didn't say anyone was a thicko, I said people in general still don't understand what Brexit means.

I agree. However, despite people trying to make out all leavers are thick clueless bigots, who need educating by the oh-so-superior remainers; when we had the referendum, both the leave side AND the remain side had plenty of people who didn't know what Brexit actually meant. Some didn't even know what the EU was.

And many people aged 18-24 didn't even care, as two thirds of them didn't vote. Yet, they are all up in arms about it now. I know some people don't care to believe that, but I guess we all believe what suits us don't we? If it suits the remainers to believe the majority of 18-24s voted, then knock yourselves out.

The amount of times the petition has been signed is 4 million now by the way (almost certainly not 4 million people though; probably a few hundred thousand at the most.)

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

And I don’t think this petition reaching 18millions signatures would make parliament revoke A50, solely based on a throw away comment by Andrea Ledsom. Having said that, I have still signed it. Just in case

4 million now!

The amount of times the petition has been signed is 4 million now by the way (almost certainly not 4 million people though; probably a few hundred thousand at the most.)

Evidence please

Keeps being mentioned never gets prooved but what has been proven is the illegal spending and the lies of the leave side of the referendum, So please keep trying to delegitimise the petition and I'll keep asking for evidence its clear those who keep spouting these lies clearly dont know how ISP's work or they have an agenda

when we had the referendum, both the leave side AND the remain side had plenty of people who didn't know what Brexit actually meant
The sensible thing to do if you don't know what something means is to a) research it or b) stick to status quo. I would imagine anyone voting remain without a clue would have voted to keep things the way they were.

And many people aged 18-24 didn't even care, as two thirds of them didn't vote.
Not true. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high

The amount of times the petition has been signed is 4 million now by the way (almost certainly not 4 million people though; probably a few hundred thousand at the most.)

It doesn't matter. It's not a legally binding vote, just a straw poll.

It wouldn't be undemocratic to have another referendum anymore than it it would be undemocratic to have another general election. And given the fact that much of the leave campaign was based on lies I could be argued that it is undemocratic to go with the vote especially as it was very borderline.

Anyway, I think that anyone who would like to remain in the EU should sign. It's not "undemocratic" to give your view and make it clear that this shit show is not the "will of the British people"

The amount of times the petition has been signed is 4 million now by the way (almost certainly not 4 million people though; probably a few hundred thousand at the most.)

Why on earth do you think that!! I have asked every single one of my friends, colleagues, children their friends to sign and every single one already has. Nearly as many people voted for remain as for leave in the referendum and considering the shit show that has followed do you think they will have changed their minds and decided that leaving is a good idea after all.

Some leave voters are certainly in a flap over the march and the petition. You'd think they had an issue with democracy or something.

"We should only vote when we know what the outcome will be". E r

It's not being signed by bots according to the BBC: www.bbc.com/news/technology-47668946

For the eight billionth time, the original vote was not democratic. Not only was it severely tainted by corruption, it disenfranchised shedloads of people living abroad (and therefore likely to vote Remain) because their postal ballots arrived late. Purely coincidentally, the postal vote was outsourced to a private company run by an arch-brexiteer.

I never expected leaving the EU would be an easy or smooth process.

It could have been easier if parliament had got behind it from the Start and if the EU was more confident in itself with less onus on discouraging other nations following suit.

Most complicated negotiations go to the wire, have last minute panics... wrangling...

But in this case, there has been a recent general election where the lib Dems offered a third referendum.

No one voted them in!