To wish women would stop being such bitches to other women!!!

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I have two recent examples:

1. A friend - close friend - who is a raving feminist most of the time (good start) recently got together with a guy who is married. They relationship 'overlapped' with the marriage for a few months until he finally moved out of the martial home and straight into hers. Shit behaviour to the wife by both IMHO. But this friend is now ranting about the STBX wife how she is such a bitch, a psycho, how her bf was so unhappy, no sex etc etc. She has never met the STBXW. This clever, well-educated feminist friend has just lapped it all up form him and is now spouting it to me, not stopping to question the fact that there might be two sides to it etc. And now she's predictably telling her new bf he must get STBX wife to sell the house, reduce his maintenance payments etc. Unbelievable. So fucking cliched. FFS grow up you stupid woman!!!!!!

1. A not so feminist friend came round for a chat last week. Told me how 'a good baby group friend' from when their kids was young recently got divorced. Told me all about the breakup, telling me that this woman 'did nothing' in the marriage. That her husband (an alpha male) worked all hours and provided so well for her, and yet she couldn't - yes couldn't even be bothered(!) to put a meal on the table for him in the evenings. No meal on the table, no washing done, no house cleaned despite the fact that SHE DIDN"T WORK (oh, sorry, she had a new baby at the time, forgot to mention that MINOR FUCKING FACT!). FFS!! This woman (the one telling me) is mid-30s with a career and a daughter. Jesus fucking wept!!! that is the attitude of a well-educated career woman with a daughter. Scary!

What hope is there for the future of woman kind with this sort shit being spouted from 'feminists'.

FFFFFS!

Rant over. Excuse the language. Feeling sweary. Must try harder, what poor English! ;) But you get the gist.

Please can you give me examples of more uplifting examples of behaviour from women who do support other women better than this to GIVE ME HOPE!!!

Thanks! PH

Why is it dumb ? If I have had to work at my profession twice as hard as a male peer, and am twice as good as him at it, and believe he is only on the same level as me on account of having a penis...in what sense is he not inferior to me ? Please explain

Oh ffs, it doesn’t mean that men and women are not as capable as each other, it simply means that men don’t have to put in the effort to get where they are in comparison to a woman.

Explained simply enough for you?

So the woman has worked much much harder honing her skills than any man at the same level as her ? How can you view the man as her peer in anyway ?

So, it wasn’t explain simply enough for you?

FissionChips - well, exactly. The openly gay men that I've known in my profession have all been exceptionally brilliant, because, in a homophobic environment, gay men don't get promoted to that level unless they're so essential to the business that we can't afford for them to go elsewhere. Acknowledging this obviously does not mean that I think that gay men, as a class, are superior to everyone else.

It's a funny thing about MRAs, though - they are convinced of men's superior intelligence and reasoning powers but they can't do reading comprehension or logic for shit.

It's not logical, I don't personally consider someone who has spent half the time and worked half as hard as me on something as being my equal.

That doesn't mean men and women are not as capable.

Women generally have to try harder than men do to reach the same position in an organisation because in most organisations men still have the benefit of structural privilege.

Does that help?

I understand that is what you think Bertrand. What I'm saying is that imo if you go around thinking you try harder and have worked harder and are twice as good as your male peers, you must consider you are better than them. How can you have worked twice as hard or be twice as capable and not be better than someone who is only on your professional level because they are a man ?

You achieved the same as them with one arm ties behind your back.

As PP's have said, some people are just crap people regardless of their sex.

As you get older I think it becomes easier to suss which kind of people you want for friends, and avoiding those who spend their time being unkind about others is one of those things I value in friends, so it's rare that I'd hear things like your OP.

How one woman treats another says nothing about womankind, it simply tells you the kind of woman she is.

How do you explain the fact that, overall, women get paid/promoted/recognised for their work a hell of a lot less than their male counterparts WhenWillItAllEnd?

YANBU. I suffered a road rage incident at a merge in turn when a male driver suddenly roared up alongside driving into the side of my car despite the face that I'd merged in turn.
We pulled into a pub/hotel car park where he screamed and threatened me and refused to give me his details and I got over to a group of women emerging from the hotel asking for help and I was calling 101. He appeared all charming and flirty (I was tearful) and he huddled up with them laughing and behaving like I was a lunatic. They joined in.
The police operator spoke to him as he would not give me his details and he charmed and laughed with her, saying of course he'd give his details.
The female group told me to drop it as I was clearly at fault (I wasn't) and the police operator (a female) said she didn't need to send anyone as he was giving me his details but if he didn't and I insisted it was a low priority and could be up to 4 hours wait. I explained he was threatening me and she laughed and said it didn't sound like it.
When I got off the phone he still refused to give me his details and threatened me if I pursued it. The group of women heard none of this and stood laughing in a group as I started crying again. I told them he wouldn't give me his details and they laughed and said something along the lines of me being a drama Queen.
I didn't pursue it. I had no witnesses in the first place but firstly the police left me to deal on my own with an aggressive threatening man refusing g yo give details and secondly the group of women cosied upon him in pure pack mentality.
This was 5 years ago and I still feel so let down. I never ask for help and all women involved let me down.

"bitches" got my hackles up too

I genuinely don't get it. I have always preferred the company of women and have very rarely heard this type of thing in real life. The women I know are funny, self-deprecating, supportive, intelligent, warm and lift each other up. Sometimes they/we make bad decisions, complain about partners/husbands/other friends, have one drink too many, let others down. Because they're human. I certainly don't see less of this from men - and with men I often feel there is less honesty, more judgement, more likelihood of succumbing to peer pressure, more (and more aggressive) nastiness from all-male groups towards women than vice versa.

What hope for us all if those are the thinks mumsnet posters focus on

To be fair SOME posters may focus on theis

There is thread after thread re politics with nary a mention of necklaces

msjuniper

I agree with everything youve just said

more, you would jump on him and tell him to get over it. But that's not equality. It's not fair they get paid

How arrogantly presumptive deadbydaylight and completely untrue.

Are you just trying to be goady?

This is an entirely weird thread where everything a woman says is knocked and berated, and how women think they are superior 😂😂😂😂

I thought we'd already done the Inequalities inherent in equality ?