To wish women would stop being such bitches to other women!!!

[PIPERHELLO]

I have two recent examples:

1. A friend - close friend - who is a raving feminist most of the time (good start) recently got together with a guy who is married. They relationship 'overlapped' with the marriage for a few months until he finally moved out of the martial home and straight into hers. Shit behaviour to the wife by both IMHO. But this friend is now ranting about the STBX wife how she is such a bitch, a psycho, how her bf was so unhappy, no sex etc etc. She has never met the STBXW. This clever, well-educated feminist friend has just lapped it all up form him and is now spouting it to me, not stopping to question the fact that there might be two sides to it etc. And now she's predictably telling her new bf he must get STBX wife to sell the house, reduce his maintenance payments etc. Unbelievable. So fucking cliched. FFS grow up you stupid woman!!!!!!

1. A not so feminist friend came round for a chat last week. Told me how 'a good baby group friend' from when their kids was young recently got divorced. Told me all about the breakup, telling me that this woman 'did nothing' in the marriage. That her husband (an alpha male) worked all hours and provided so well for her, and yet she couldn't - yes couldn't even be bothered(!) to put a meal on the table for him in the evenings. No meal on the table, no washing done, no house cleaned despite the fact that SHE DIDN"T WORK (oh, sorry, she had a new baby at the time, forgot to mention that MINOR FUCKING FACT!). FFS!! This woman (the one telling me) is mid-30s with a career and a daughter. Jesus fucking wept!!! that is the attitude of a well-educated career woman with a daughter. Scary!

What hope is there for the future of woman kind with this sort shit being spouted from 'feminists'.

FFFFFS!

Rant over. Excuse the language. Feeling sweary. Must try harder, what poor English! ;) But you get the gist.

Please can you give me examples of more uplifting examples of behaviour from women who do support other women better than this to GIVE ME HOPE!!!

Thanks! PH

There is so much women-shaming on here, very clearly, there was an attempt at bambi-eyed innocence,but much of it is out and out misogyny

No such thing as pinkpenis either, women don't have penises if thats what its supposed to mean? Like men don't have vaginas or periods.
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Posting again, as technology is so shit...

There is so much women-hating on here, very clearly; there was an attempt at bambi-eyed innocence,but much of it is out and out misogyny

No such thing as pink penis/cock either; women don't have penises if thats what its supposed to mean? Like men don't have vaginas or periods.
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Smotheroffive what I said is true. I've even seen some radical 'feminists' say we don't need men at all. They are just crazy though. But many want to be paid more than men. That's not equality either. There needs to be more equality. I actually get paid more than some of my male colleagues who do the exact same job. That's not fair. Yet no one complains about that do they? The company doesn't give a shit either.

Just repeating it doesn't make it true. I don't know of a single feminist who want women to have more than men.

Some feminists may theorise about what the world would be like without men, some may want to separate themselves away from men and spend time with women only. All of which is fine. Because when women think about these things there is no negative consequence whatsoever for men or society.

Feminism doesn't mean you want more than men. It just means you want equality, which is why some people have latched onto the word 'equalist' which is a nonsensical word.

In my experience, if you identify as a feminist, you're expected constantly to have to defend yourself against accusations that feminism "goes too far" . Whereas being an anti-feminist, or actively "hating" feminists, seems to be regarded as fairly neutral. A lot of the guys on my university course went on periodic rants in seminars about how feminists don't understand xyz, and the usual response from the tutors was "well, yes, some feminists are far too extreme" .

I have lovely, supportive female friends so I know women aren't competitive and nasty with weather in general BUT.. I dislike Theresa May,'s politics yet yesterday was surprised to read a thread on here criticising her hair, necklaces, coat etc. What hope for us all if those are the thinks mumsnet posters focus on.

Each other. Not weather.

Deadbydaylight you'll have to excuse me for the lack of weeping, my point was that you were referring to a small minority as opposed to a rather large majority that make up the patriarchy (and before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't hold with prejudicing anyone whatever their sex or colour, its just theres a lot more racism against other than white ethnic groups and sexism.against women.)

No,not equality, we are not the same. We are not equal, so equality doesn't work. Women need different things to men,to children,etc.

Equality, all being given the same size box to stand on. Still different heights.

Equity, being given differnt/relative to height size boxes to stand on. All same height.

Men and women not the same, need 'different size boxes to all be the same height'

Eh? Equality has nothing to do with boxes

It's a reference to the fairly well known graphic that explains the issue with "equality" - it shows three people standing in front of a wall.

Smotheroffive it's not the point. Just because it's a minority of women being stupid doesn't mean it's OK to think that way for them. It's still not equality and its not fair.

If you saw a post from one of my male colleagues complaining that I get paid more, you would jump on him and tell him to get over it. But that's not equality. It's not fair they get paid less for the same job. And it's not their fault its been happening the opposite way for generations.

Neither women nor men deserve to get paid less than their counter parts. Men shouldn't be punished for decisions made by a minority. And yes it is a minority, its the rich that made those decisions. The average man doesn't make decisions on pay.

Just scrolled through to check that this was the sort of thread I thought: OP writes goady post and then more or less fucks off.

It does get points for being so excellently ironic though: I'm going to explain what I hate most about women by actually being the kind of woman I hate most.

Unless you're a bloke, OP? Which, given your evident contempt for feminists, is a distinct possibility.

Feminism teaches that women need to work *twice as hard" and be "twice as good" as a men to achieve the same as them in what they call a patriarchy.

So professionally, a man and women cannot really be peers in a feminists view women is better than the man, they think the women is superior.

WhenWillItAllEnd no I think they mean currently because its usually unfair in the system that women have to work twice as hard to be taken seriously. To get the same level of pay.

The feminists that think women are superior don't believe that women should work twice as hard, they think women are just above men in general.

Feminism teaches that women need to work twice as hard" and be "twice as good" as a men to achieve the same as them in what they call a patriarchy*

So professionally, a man and women cannot really be peers in a feminists view women is better than the man, they think the women is superior

Omfg, that second paragraph is some dumb shit.

I’ve heard a lot about the “school gates”. Not there yet as my kid is too young. My mothers group was... interesting. Definitely competitive, bitchy at times, nasty elements, but a few good eggs who were above all that and were a real source of support for me at times. You spend a fair bit of time in your mothers group among similarly sleep-deprived women so I can see how cliques and nastiness can emerge there, but curious as to how the simple (and brief) act of collecting your child from school can create such tension...?

Some people are unpleasant and make decisions that don't reflect well on them according to an objective consensus of morality, and that certainly transcends gender. I agree that virtue signalling feminism is problematic in furthering the cause, but people are only human, there is no perfect feminist or version of feminism as it evolves. Standing up for other womens decision with the empathy that for their own reasons they can't or don't want to make the same 'feminist' choices as you is probably a start.

OP you've given me a right laugh, your lack of insight into your own horribly sexist language and opinions and your bizarre judgement calls on feminist principles, when you came on here to 'call out' other women you know behind their backs in a puerile and derogatory way, is hilarious. You are behaving no better by doing so, no? Womens equality and/or equity is a broad ranging issue but at the core of it is freedom of choice and movement. It doesn't matter what you think of their opinions or life choices, women are not homogenous. Make different friends if it picks at your principles so badly it drives you to be nasty about other women.

Feminist bitches and alpha males, eh. OP sounds like an incel.

“Standing up for other womens decision with the empathy that for their own reasons they can't or don't want to make the same 'feminist' choices as you is probably a start“

Can I just check- are you saying that feminists should stand up for other women’s choices just because they are women?

Omfg, that second paragraph is some dumb shit.

Why is it dumb ? If I have had to work at my profession twice as hard as a male peer, and am twice as good as him at it, and believe he is only on the same level as me on account of having a penis...in what sense is he not inferior to me ? Please explain.

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