To wish women would stop being such bitches to other women!!!

[PIPERHELLO]

I have two recent examples:

1. A friend - close friend - who is a raving feminist most of the time (good start) recently got together with a guy who is married. They relationship 'overlapped' with the marriage for a few months until he finally moved out of the martial home and straight into hers. Shit behaviour to the wife by both IMHO. But this friend is now ranting about the STBX wife how she is such a bitch, a psycho, how her bf was so unhappy, no sex etc etc. She has never met the STBXW. This clever, well-educated feminist friend has just lapped it all up form him and is now spouting it to me, not stopping to question the fact that there might be two sides to it etc. And now she's predictably telling her new bf he must get STBX wife to sell the house, reduce his maintenance payments etc. Unbelievable. So fucking cliched. FFS grow up you stupid woman!!!!!!

1. A not so feminist friend came round for a chat last week. Told me how 'a good baby group friend' from when their kids was young recently got divorced. Told me all about the breakup, telling me that this woman 'did nothing' in the marriage. That her husband (an alpha male) worked all hours and provided so well for her, and yet she couldn't - yes couldn't even be bothered(!) to put a meal on the table for him in the evenings. No meal on the table, no washing done, no house cleaned despite the fact that SHE DIDN"T WORK (oh, sorry, she had a new baby at the time, forgot to mention that MINOR FUCKING FACT!). FFS!! This woman (the one telling me) is mid-30s with a career and a daughter. Jesus fucking wept!!! that is the attitude of a well-educated career woman with a daughter. Scary!

What hope is there for the future of woman kind with this sort shit being spouted from 'feminists'.

FFFFFS!

Rant over. Excuse the language. Feeling sweary. Must try harder, what poor English! ;) But you get the gist.

Please can you give me examples of more uplifting examples of behaviour from women who do support other women better than this to GIVE ME HOPE!!!

Thanks! PH

Maybe we should stop awarding prizes for a scientific or artistic achievements and just accept that giving birth is the pinnacle of human achievement then.

I don't think you worded your post well but I get why you mean given my current situation, I'm on mat leave at the moment and I'm spending a lot of time with all women groups and I've met more than I’d hoped who give the rest of us a bad name. Why can't people just be I don't know!!!!

Are all the females of all mammalian species worthy of celebration for being able to grow and give birth to young, or are you suggesting there is something uniquely noteworthy about homosapien females biology ?

@When

Are all the females of all mammalian species worthy of celebration for being able to grow and give birth to young

Yes. Particularly when prior to 1945 and the advancements in modern medicine, the maternal mortality rate was 45%. Makes women's historical achievements even more impressive, considering it was fairly good odds that they would die during childbirth before achieving anything.

"Homosapien females" - if only there was a word to describe them. Women perhaps?

@When

So mocking a man's genitals is nothing like as bad as saying a woman is being bitchy. We:ll have to disagree about that.

Not what I said. If it can't actually engage with any of the arguments I make then there isn't much point in continuing to debate you.

"As a female software engineer". Right.

*If you

ZacharyQuacks
I don't think you understood my point, and I'll thank you not to presume my sex and call me a liar.

Move over Einstein I had two sons.

I'm on mat leave at the moment and I'm spending a lot of time with all women groups and I've met more than I’d hoped who give the rest of us a bad name

True...I met a few lovely women at baby groups but far more weirdos and unfriendly ones to be honest. Wait till you get to the school gates....

ZacharyQuacks
You are actually sadly typical of the kind of women who often try to use fields like the one I work in as a "political football" No interest in software development at all yet happy to argue with strangers on the internet about it because you see it in overly simplistic "men stopped us inventing stuff like them" terms.

What's worse is you automatically think that when a woman does the same thing as a man the woman's achievements are superior on account of all the obstacles you presume she has overcome.

I find it extremely sexist that women are expected to constantly be nice to offer women. Men aren't expected to be nice to all other men and 'raise them up' constantly. Some people are dicks, just because we both have vaginas, doesn't mean I have to fucking like them 🙄

Exactly Now

But don't use the "b" word apparently.

'Wait till you get to the school gates' - now that's not fostering negative female stereotypes at all

I like women, even though women's insecurity, immaturity and lack of insight in to themselves can be what causes them to be unpleasant or exclude or undermine other women.

Men's immaturity, low self-esteem and lack of self-awareness doesn't manifest in the same way I don't think. Men can be more aggressive. Women aren't allowed to be angry so they sublimate anger and are passive aggressive.

Not excusing it but women are not ''worse'' than men. I've know a man in my office (I like him) but he has two allegedly female traits (gossiping and bitching) which seem to go unnoticed or forgiven anyway because he is a man.

So even though I've been on the receiving end of a woman who needed a lot of validation and liked to keep all the people she liked as friends to herself and manipulated the social dynamic as best as she could to keep me on the edge and herself in the middle, I still (with that memory recent) feel that women are not worse to women than men are to women.

None of those women owed me anything. They ought to have owed it to themselves to behaved with a bit more integrity, common decency and integrity but people can do what they want (within the law).

Any woman who thinks she hates women needs to read up a bit. Imo.

'Wait till you get to the school gates' - now that's not fostering negative female stereotypes at all

These boards are full of women who feel left out, isolated and ignored at the school gates, baby groups etc...its well known that it's an issue.

The world is based on 'men raising other men up' and has for thousands of years

Dads at the school gates are absent, but in a way that makes them kind and supportive to other parents?

School gate bashing is an issue in itself, generalising about a group of mostly same sexed people dropping off or picking up their offspring is pretty narrow minded

It infantalises women to expect them to be nice to all other women. Men haven't raised each other up throughout history... in business, in politics, in war... It's dog eat dog.

If my husband can call a male politician or celebrity an idiot for his views or clothes or whatever he thinks it's idiotic, then I demand the right to call an idiotic woman an idiot too.

Some women are bitches, some men are arseholes (and even criminals and rapists), and a huge swathes of people are just plain stupid. I hope you have good friends in your life. If I were you, I'd challenge these 2 women you are mentioning, and limited contact with them.

It infantalises women to expect them to be nice to all other women

but it would be good to try, no? By the way, I think men should be nice too, and everyone hold a door for each other.

Totally degree, disgrace, but I'm being nice to someone because we are both the same flipping sex. That's what is sexist. I'm nice to everyone, unless they are not nice then I'm either ambivalent or actively not nice depending on the circumstances, and I don't care whether they have tits or a ballsack

'Totally agree, disgrace' that should say!

@When and I'll thank you not to make assumptions about my speciality or areas of interest, based on pure speculation.

^ you see it in overly simplistic "men stopped us inventing stuff like them" terms.

What's worse is you automatically think that when a woman does the same thing as a man the woman's achievements are superior on account of all the obstacles you presume she has overcome.^

Any evidence for any of this? So much easier to attack a strawman than the actual points I made, isn't it.

There's too many feminists who are all for making men the weaker sex and they basically want women to be above men

Not many of them to the pound in a patriarchy, whereas with the opposite sex, well, they obviously flourish in a patriarchy, deadbydaylight hard to out a pin between them they are so heavy on the ground, but funny you should pick at women again

@MrsPinkCock I don't think it's fake to not tell someone you think is a raging arsehole that you believe that they are a raging arsehole and vent to your best mate instead. So long as you're not going to be rude or otherwise unprofessional to the individual and would never engage in bullying or anything then sometimes you need a vent. Hardly polite when someone says something irritating to tell them to shut the fuck up is it?