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I’m just going to leave this here...

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SovietKitsch · 21/03/2019 06:20

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

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Funkaccino · 22/03/2019 10:20

owchicawowo it was politically binding. Each side said so before the vote. People voted on the basis it would be acted upon.

Of course it isnt binding.

Parliament can do whatever it wants except bind itself.

Thats what everyone voted for right. Parliamentary sovereignity. Well you got. They could turn all this around tomorrow and make believe it never happened.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 10:22

It is politically binding though. As every referendum before that was too, save for the one on PR.
As for Philip May I would be absolutely certain of your facts before you start saying that he personally has manipulated this process to financially benefit. I do hope he isn’t litigious...

Funkaccino · 22/03/2019 10:26

Im confident Mr May has better things to do than sue everyone on the internet who reads and posts a times article.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 10:29

I am sure that he does. That’s not the point though. I am saying that if you are complaining about wild allegations having caused Brexit, don’t do exactly the same thing.
If a petition nullifies a referendum vote democracy is dead and that’s a bigger threat to the UK than Brexit imho.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 22/03/2019 11:27

Just looked at this website. Islington North is sixth on the list of constituencies with the most votes.

keepforgettingmyusername · 22/03/2019 11:30

@Bowchicawowow if you think I'm going to be sued by Phillip May for posting a Times article with facts about how the company he works for will benefit from a disorderly Brexit, then I'm afraid that is a reflection of your level of intelligence.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 11:33

Ok. I am stupid. Obviously.

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 22/03/2019 11:33

www.livefrombrexit.com/petitions/241584

Whoops forgot the link!

howmanybiscuits · 22/03/2019 11:41

It'll be 3 million today!

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 11:41

I should add keep that whilst you may believe it to be a fact that Philip May will benefit from Brexit, I thought the worrying part of your post was that you suggested he was influencing his wife to press on with Brexit for his personal benefit. I hope that you grasp the distinction. I don't think for one moment he would sue but it's important to be careful what you post on forums.

BarbaraofSevillle · 22/03/2019 11:42

Number counter appears to have stuck. It's been on 2 940 431 for a few minutes and I was hoping to see it go over 3 million.

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StoneofDestiny · 22/03/2019 12:10

It's over 3 million

Joebloggswazere · 22/03/2019 12:18

Quick question, because nobody answered it on another post, how can they make sure that only UK residents are signing?

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 12:55

Joebloggswazere - you don't have to be resident in the UK to sign it, you can be a UK national living abroad, according to the first box on the petition page, which is how I and a couple of hundred other Brits living here in the sand-pit have managed to sign it. But I take your point and I don't believe there is any way of ensuring that Mickey Mouse and the whole Disney family, along with the Marvel comics brigade and several other fictitious characters, don't sign several times over under different names and email addresses.

mummymeister · 22/03/2019 12:57

They aren't Joebloggs. there are people signing this who do not live, work or pay taxes in the UK yet the people on here are still adding the link. Great! lets let someone from Greece or Turkey or Holland decide what our parliament should do.

I have members of my immediate family who aren't UK citizens who have signed this. sorry but its all kinds of stupid to think that 3m is only people in the UK of voting age, it isn't.

so lets just do away with elections and democracy shall we and rely on half arsed petitions signed by the world wide community.

Heres a warning about this, if Article 50 is revoked then you will see a mass rise of the Right. Just like in America. Lots of disillusioned people who voted Brexit, who would feel that they had no other options and be seduced by the politics of the hard right.

I really don't want to live in a country where we cant respect a democratic vote and think that an undemocratic petition signed by who knows is a better way to go.

if the remoaners come out this weekend on a march then I hope to God the brexiteers don't even though they too could have a show of strength of a similar size.

IM0GEN · 22/03/2019 13:10

I suspect that Mickey Mouse won’t be on the electoral roll at the postcode he has to provide on the form.

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 13:11

Just adding, after the post immediately after my last one, that I am non UK resident but still pay taxes due in the UK.

ZenNudist · 22/03/2019 13:14

Very defensive brexiteers on here.

mummymeister · 22/03/2019 13:17

Zen - not defensive, just bloody scared tbh.

The far right are having a field day at the moment.

there is a counter petition on the go but I wont post it on MN as it would probably be moved to petitions by MNHQ - where this post should be.

BelindasRedPlasticHandcuffs · 22/03/2019 13:32

I really don't want to live in a country where we cant respect a democratic vote and think that an undemocratic petition signed by who knows is a better way to go.

I really don't want to live in a country where 'Democracy' means following the marginal result of a non-binding referendum based on a question far too simplistic for the situation, with a host of illegal activity from one side. I'd rather have actual democracy. With enforced rules regarding campaigning and voting procedure, and the ability for the citizens to change things as more information becomes apparent, like we have the option to every GE.

A single vote and then 'lalalalalalala not listening, we won so suck it up' is not democracy, and recognising the first referendum was not fit for purpose is not 'undemocratic'.

slug · 22/03/2019 13:33

I notice that one of the constituencies with the greatest number of signers is Islington North, MP one Jeremey Corbin. I wonder if he will listen to the word of his constituents? (I doubt it though)

Funkaccino · 22/03/2019 14:16

there are people signing this who do not live, work or pay taxes in the UK yet the people on here are still adding the link. Great! lets let someone from Greece or Turkey or Holland decide what our parliament should do.

Now stop for a second and consider why a British person living in Greece or Holland might actually have a more legitimate reason for their voice being heard on Brexit than you do?

And "shit's going to get real racist, real quick if you dont give us our way' is a threat. And a bad one as leaving the EU already gave those peolple the right to start committing hate crimes.

givemesteel · 22/03/2019 14:32

Unless you can prove (which you can't) that everyone on the petition was/is eligible to vote in the referendum then there is no validity to the numbers voting.

Anecdotally I have been sent this petition by a few friends one was a national from an EU country and one American and one Canadian.

Sorry but none of you are eligible to vote on this particular issue.

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 14:34

I remember the original referendum to join the Common Market. The pros and cons of both staying independent and joining it had been clearly debated by all parties for a long time before the referendum went to the people and the outcomes of both sides had been made clear to everyone before the referendum was voted on. It was ABSOLUTELY clear what would happen either way, including financially, so people knew what they were voting on. Unlike 2016, where whilst we knew the status quo if we remained, but there was absolutely no plan at all for leave except for the lies on the back of a bus.