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SovietKitsch · 21/03/2019 06:20

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

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Aria999 · 22/03/2019 00:26

It's possible to live abroad and be eligible to vote in Britain.

HotpotLawyer · 22/03/2019 03:42

One of the issues with tne referendum was that British citizens abroad who were eligible to vote were nevertheless not allowed to vote in the referendum Hmm

Unfinishedkitchen · 22/03/2019 04:44

Of course she’s rejecting the petition. She’s obsessed with immigration. She does not give a shit about the almost 50% of the country that did not want this shitshow. How are we going to MAKE her listen?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/petitions-site-crashes-after-thousands-back-call-to-revoke-article-50

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 07:08

It was politically binding. Each side said so before the vote. People voted on the basis it would be acted upon.

It wasn't legally binding, though, it was advisory only, according to the European Referendum Act of 2015: “because of the sovereignty of Parliament, referendums cannot be legally binding in the UK, and are therefore advisory”. May and the rest used the fact that it was advisory as a legal loophole to stop the referendum being voided, which it should have been, because of the proven corruption and lies by Leave in the build up to the referendum. It was most definitely not the "divine mandate" Leavers tend to insist it is.

HotpotLawyer · 22/03/2019 07:28

The petition seems to be stuck again, it has been on the same number for hours.

HotpotLawyer · 22/03/2019 07:30

They might have turned off the real time updating facility because that seems to have been what was causing the crashing.

UnspiritualHome · 22/03/2019 07:31

Neither side said they would hold the vote to be binding some what may and even if one side was found to be responsible for serious fraud.

Funkaccino · 22/03/2019 07:33

If it is now taking 24 hours to get an email confirmation we're going to have the number stuck there for 24 hours. And then should roll on evenly . Problem is that if anyone forgets to check their email now they lose their signature. Some people will be using secondary emails

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 07:48

Dumdedumdum Do you realise the the Government stated they would adhere to the result of the referendum prior to the vote? Every vote cast was predicted in the basis of that undertaking. There would be a hell of a lot more problems for the UK than Brexit if we were to throw away our democracy. We don’t have a written constitution. Every referendum except for the one on PR has been advisory. That is the nature of them. However all have been adhered to because they have been politically binding.

ImaginaryCat · 22/03/2019 07:48

I signed it 10 minutes ago, received my email straight away, clicked link, got confirmation screen, job done. Seems to be working perfectly right now.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 07:49

Nobody had been charged with serious fraud though.

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 07:51

Bowchicawowow - in that case, don't you think it is politically and morally wrong to stick to the result of a proven corrupt referendum saying it can't be voided because it was only advisory?

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 07:55

I worry about throwing away our democracy. I hate the idea of Brexit but I worry about that more if I am absolutely honest.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 07:55

Predicated not predicted.

StoneofDestiny · 22/03/2019 08:35

Our democracy is a farce - we have a government propped up by the DUP who cannot even manage to govern a province and whose support for this government was bought by billion pound deals! A DUP that denies democratic freedoms to whole swathes of the population. It’s shocking.

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 08:35

I'm struggling the idea that it can be democratic to allow the result of a referendum which was instigated to unite the Tory party and based on Cameron's hubris and arrogance about its outcome, so with no actual plan for Brexit, to stand, once it has been shown that the result is ridiculous and almost 3 years have passed with the government accomplishing nothing but showing how ignorant, incompetent, corrupt (DUP bribes) and selfish they are. (Sorry for the long, convoluted and probably incomprehensible sentence.)

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 08:46

The tories have been telling lies for decades to win votes. You must remember the ‘vote for us to save the pound’ campaign? Yet they are still in Government.

keepforgettingmyusername · 22/03/2019 08:47

@Dumdedumdedum it isn't democratic at all. But Theresa Mays husbands company is making a fortune from Brexit. And then people wonder why she's sticking so stubbornly to her guns? There is no democracy in this country - the elite pull our strings from all angles.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 08:49

It’s very wrong to say there is no democracy in this country. It may feel like that but you are so wrong. Think very carefully before you support the idea of completely throwing away our democracy. What that could mean in the future.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 08:53

keepforgetting Don’t fall into the trap of throwing around wild claims, the very thing that you are complaining of on this thread.

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 09:04

keepforgettingmyusername - my thoughts exactly. I'm Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells at this.
Bowchicawowow - TM is turning into a dictator and Parliament is allowing it. How is that "democratic"?

Dumdedumdedum · 22/03/2019 09:08

I forgot the most undemocratic thing of all in all this - not allowing British citizens who were residing in the EU a vote on their future in the 2016 referendum.

Bowchicawowow · 22/03/2019 09:15

She is not a dictator. That is a misuse of the word. She was given a mandate she has to work with. I don’t agree with it one iota but what can she do? Cameron and the Tory backbenchers fucked the country.

keepforgettingmyusername · 22/03/2019 10:09

@Bowchicawowow that isn't a wild claim, it is factual. Where did I complain about people making claims by the way?

keepforgettingmyusername · 22/03/2019 10:13

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/philip-may-s-boss-sees-brexit-opportunity-k6m7qlgtw

'The American fund manager that employs Theresa May’s husband has said that it intends to use market uncertainty after Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union as a “buying opportunity”, raising a potential conflict of interest.'