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AIBU?

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I’m just going to leave this here...

408 replies

SovietKitsch · 21/03/2019 06:20

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

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Joebloggswazere · 21/03/2019 07:20

the good thing about democracy is that we can vote again oh the stupid is wrong with this one! If we don’t like the result of that one, we vote again yes??

Joebloggswazere · 21/03/2019 07:21
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Sparklingbrook · 21/03/2019 07:24

I clicked on it not knowing it was about Brexit petitions that I don't want to sign...

Now really is the time for specific boards.

SoupDragon · 21/03/2019 07:32

Why couldn't you be arsed to put some thought into explaining the petition in your OP?

EleanorAnagonye · 21/03/2019 07:33

Signed.

I’m just going to leave this here...
Sparklingbrook · 21/03/2019 07:36

There's now another thread the same, and one last night. They are everywhere.

StepAwayFromGoogle · 21/03/2019 07:38

The power of the people CAN reverse decisions already made in parliament. Remember the Poll Tax? A second vote is absolutely in the interests of the country, given nobody knew what they were voting for originally and everyone knows what they are voting for now. If the result is still 'leave' then so be it.

Skittlesss · 21/03/2019 07:38

I thought the referendum wasn’t binding and just because that was the result it didn’t mean that would be the outcome?

TBH, I’ve given up. They (the government) don’t listen to us plebs anyway and just do what they like.

FatKatt · 21/03/2019 07:41

I voted leave. I would vote remain now.

Signed.

Hollygoverylightly · 21/03/2019 07:42

I don't look at other boards, so thank you for putting it where I can see it. Signed!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 21/03/2019 07:46

That petition has an August end date.... what's the point? It isn't going to get 18million votes.... it will be, at best, looked at and set aside with a wry smile!

AristotlesTrousers · 21/03/2019 07:46

Signed & shared. Smile

IM0GEN · 21/03/2019 07:48

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NataliaOsipova · 21/03/2019 07:48

I dont see how this is democracy?

Democracy is a very complex concept, that’s dressed up (usually by people for their own ends) as being very simple. We operate under a system of representative democracy because it is simply too time consuming to put every vote to the populace (simply put, no decision could be made on that basis). Under our first past the post system, the governing party (even one with a majority) can have polled well under 50% of the votes. Is that democracy? A party rules even though less than half the population has voted for it.

Say you change the system to a referendum style election. What if a mad despot stands for election and campaigns on a platform that all women under 40 are to become bonded slaves. If 50.01% of people vote for that, is that democracy? (And, as a second order question, if the answer is “yes”, is democracy a good thing?)

Look at the referendum campaign. May’s deal bears no resemblance (as far as I can see) to what the Leave campaign said would happen in the event of a “Leave” vote. Is that democracy? Or is that someone attempting to force through their own agenda?

Colourpencils · 21/03/2019 07:49

Glad it's everywhere, so it should be! The most critical situation to face our country since WWII and posters want it in a cupboard?! ShockHmm

Ali1cedowntherabbithole · 21/03/2019 07:53

Blimey! I signed this last night at I think 190 000 signatures. It’s really building fast.

The people are really angry.

chaoscategorised · 21/03/2019 07:56

I don't understand why people keep bleating 'The vote was to leave! The vote was to leave!'.

If I said 'want to go on a city break with me in 2 years time?' and you said yes, and over the course of the next 2 years I told you that I hadn't actually chosen a destination, didn't know how to book a flight, hadn't sorted travel insurance, it was going to cost a LOT of money, had found out the city was potentially a bit dangerous - oh and I'd forced you to say yes by showing you photoshopped pictures of a really nice hotel and saying 'well if you don't then I'll take loads of other people and you'll lose out', would you still be like 'but I said yes! I can never change my mind when I have been lied to and the circumstances become clearer'?

Dumdedumdedum · 21/03/2019 07:57

Thank you for your very clear explanation, NataliaOsipova. Although I would just say that putting everything to the vote democratically by carefully worded and researched referendums works very well in Switzerland! As does the annual rotation of the Presidency!

WeirdCatLady · 21/03/2019 07:58

YABU. Big shock - another day another moan. The country already voted. Get over it Hmm

HotpotLawyer · 21/03/2019 07:58

“TBH, I’ve given up. They (the government) don’t listen to us plebs anyway and just do what they like.”

Which is the disaffected anti-government position that led many people to vote leave in the first place, as a message to a government they did not support.

Vote/ campaign / sign for what you actually believe in.

BlackeyedGruesome · 21/03/2019 07:59

leave campaigned since the 70s to leave. remain can campaign as well. (leave can carry on campaigning to get a leave how they want too)

HotpotLawyer · 21/03/2019 08:00

“That petition has an August end date.... what's the point? “

All government petitions have an automatic 6 month end date.

Theworldisfullofgs · 21/03/2019 08:00

The problem is leave never ever came up with a viable plan in all that time. That should worry you.

Unfinishedkitchen · 21/03/2019 08:01

It’s broken 500,000.

Isadora2007 · 21/03/2019 08:02

Signed