To think this absolutely is homophobic

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Muslim families have successfully argued for Birmingham primary schools to stop the No Outsiders programme

"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."

AIBU to think:

1. This absolutely is a homophobic thing to say
2. There are plenty of places in the world where you would get stoned for stating you didn’t believe in Islam!

Hopefully this link works: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47613578

Right, they're trying to change the curriculum of the school, and other schools in the area.

What did you think of the BBC video?

Exactly why they need to be educated. My child and others like him have a right not to hear their sexuality derided from an early age. And bollocks to it’s just a word. I’ve also seen worse. The picture and writing my dsis is brought home from a party one of the guests had created was far worse.Ive also heard worse.

The campaign was against picture books with same sex animals. How else do you suggest children are taught at an early age that same sex relationships are normal and in our community? Be honest though, you don’t want that message taught at all do you because you’re homophobic.

And re British values. I’ve heard it all now.😂😂😂 What twisted logic you have. British values do not stretch to tolerating beliefs which hurt and damage others and society. Not sure I remember racism, disabilism and homophobia being deemed as ok.

Reti so sorry you had to go through that hideous time, abuse like that must have a lasting impact.I know how damaging words can be.

the fact that you think you can eradicate people’s beliefs and refuse to live alongside them shows that you are much more extremist than me

When those beliefs are that someone is somehow less simply because of their sexual orientation then why shouldn't they be eradicated?

Public attitude to racism has changed a lot over the years, in part due to education. I wonder if that's 'extremist' and 'eradicating people's beliefs'.

I find the stories of hate and bullying towards homosexuals so sad and completely unacceptable as is any kind of racism. Maybe because I never has seen this. We have gay parents at school, mixed ethnic backgrounds and two of my friends from school turned came out as gay, completely accepted by everyone in the friendship group.

Maybe naively, but this has always been how I viewed things. Everyone can have their own morals and beliefs as long as there is no judgment. I had friends who found living together before marriage unthinkable. I did and never felt judged. I believe that abortion is a woman’s choice (a horrendously difficult one). I accept that this is a cause for excommunication for catholics, but that this is their personal belief. In the same way I thought that some religious people/groups believe that they should not be homosexual, but completely accepted others choices and them as individuals.

Being Christian, I often feel that I have more in common in terms of values with other religious people than with non religious people regardless of faith, but I have never seen this hatred. I feel so sorry for everyone exposed to it.

Breeze, as I outlined above, I completely respect your belief in terms of homosexuality and that your Iman finds this unacceptable. However, I find it strange that you defend the use of gay as an insult by 4,5 and 6 year olds? If they are repeating it, they must have heard it somewhere? For me, any racial or sexual orientation slur would be completely unacceptable and I would come down on my children as a ton of bricks.

I am not a fan of the no outsider program at all, but if there are 4-6 year olds using homophobic language it may be needed and that actually makes me furious.

How can you respect homophobia?

No Hoover you have misunderstood me. I’m not defending it, I’m saying that at that age they don’t understand the meaning of the word. It’s not about deliberate insulting gay people, rather they have heard someone else use it as an insult and are copying them. So they don’t need an explanation about homophobia they just need to be told not to be unkind.
I’m actually shocked that people think very young children understand about gay and straight and relationships in general. We had no idea until we were at least 8 or 9.

I never heard anyone using gay as an insult at primary school.

I’m not defending bullying at all and it should be dealt with. I’m just saying that Sre should be left until the children are old enough to understand it fully

Why would they not understand about gay relationships or straight ones? At 5, kids know women and men can be married and have babies. Why can they not also know that two men or two women can also be married?

Gay is a very common insult in primary schools.

What does a 5 year old understand by ‘being married’? What does a 5 year old understand by ‘being a couple’?

Sounds like many children not being brought up properly and knowing too much too soon

Of course they do not understand it as adults understand it. But there are lots of things we tell 5 year olds that they do not understand as adults do. At 5 most kids do not truly understand the concept of money, but we still talk about it as part of their learning process. They also do not truly understand work, but we talk about mummy or daddy going to work. These things are learned as a process.

breeze You have admitted you are homophobic. That is the real issue for you.

So here is the dilemma. It’s not possible to accommodate everyone all of the time.

A muslim defends their right to discriminate. A homosexual refuses to accept the discrimination. As a society we must tolerate everything - even intolerance. Liberals say we have a right to do and feel what we like, except anything that remotely goes against the liberal ideal. Diversity is to be celebrated, but only so long as it’s the type of diversity that fits in with a particular progressive agenda. Otherwise it’s to be feared and reverred.

But everyone is an equal.

Fucking hell. It makes my head hurt.

We’re not discriminating...

Bohbell And that is where the law comes in to safeguard human rights. Some rights should be enshrined in law. So it should not matter if a religious group think I am lesser, the law should be clear that whatever that group think, my human rights come first.

breeze Muslim states discriminate against gay people.

But we’re in the UK. Withdrawing children from a class does not take away any human rights

Of course it does. It is about parents not wanting their kids to be taught to accept gay people.

The whole point is that parents want to retain control of the learning process when it comes to personal relationships. Until now that has been respected. Now that it’s under threat of course people are upset. The rug is being pulled out from under them.
The teaching about homosexuality is part of it, but it’s not the only issue. I wouldn’t let my kids watch Disney films with heterosexual relationships either.

What human right specifically does it take away from anyone if children don’t study Sre at primary school?

So should parents be able to take children out of a lesson that is teaching them to respect Muslim people? And that islamophobia is not okay?

Yes