To think that Teresa May's speech this evening was an absolute fucking disgrace?

[Livingtothefull]

'You, the public, have had enough.
“You’re tired of the infighting, you’re tired of the political games and the arcane procedural rows, tired of MPs talking about nothing else but Brexit when you have real concerns about our children’s schools, our National Health Service, knife crime'.

“You want this stage of the Brexit process to be over and done with. I agree. I am on your side. ”

So: 'You’re tired of all the shit that my party and my government have caused eg through years of cuts to the health and police services. It's not my fault that Brexit has been so appallingly badly handled, I'm only the Prime Minister and it's everyone else's fault. So why not just let me have my way and things will all get better? I am a mindreader and presume to know what you want, even though I display zero empathy in my public utterances, and I know you all want Brexit (even though only a small proportion of the electorate actually voted for it, 3 years ago)'.

We’re finished as a country if this is the best we can do, it is just heartbreaking that our country has been brought to this. I cant believe that this woman is in a position of such power and represents our country.

I don't WANT you on my side, just get away from me.

I’m confused - even if millions sign that petition - surely parliament can’t just say ok, let’s debate, then decided they don’t want to listen to what the people voted for and decided to stay in the EU afterall? I was under the impression that the UK would have to leave the EU as there was a vote, article 50 was triggered etc?

I think everyone agrees she had an extremely difficult hand to play. Problem is that she's then spent two years shitting in her hand and stubbornly clapping.

She is showing leadership amongst complete chaos to try to bring it to a conclusion - either agree to the only compromise deal that is possible, OR we revoke Article 50 and don't leave at all.

Or we leave with no deal, or we re-negotiate removing the red lines (which would inevitably mean a long delay).

If her tactics are to get her deal passed, she’s massively self-harmed today.... A long extension would have put pressure on the ERG and DUP to vote for the deal, as the alternative was likely to have been a much softer Brexit or no Brexit.... enough Labour MPs may then have broken cover to pass the deal. A short extension gives the hard-core Brexiteers no incentive to back the deal. And attacking them this evening makes it even less likely! I don’t think she could have played it worse if she’d tried!

She’s completely useless and I’m embarrassed for her and for this country. I’m also furious that she claims to speak for me when she absolutely does not and never has. Patronising numpty.

Because they think it's not in the UK's best interests, presumably
Well they shouldn't have asked us to vote in a referendum then, should they. The genie is out of the bottle we will never accept EU rule again.

Maybe if 18 million sign the petition its worthy of note, otherwise its a waste of our time.

Well they shouldn't have asked us to vote in a referendum then, should they.
They didn't, that was the doing of Cameron (because he didn't expect to have an opportunity to deliver on what was intended as a false promise).

I agree with you re. the petition though.

we will never accept EU rule again

Yeh, coz it's been so awful, hasn't it? Roll on the 29th and no deal and we can finally be free of the oppressive, destructive, domineering EU that has ruined the UK for 40 odd years. And instead we'll have our own lovely, understanding, caring government that intends to do all it can to help heal the terrible damage the EU has done to our social and economic infrastructure, making people across the class divide richer in social and economic capital.

Oh wait...

They didn't, that was the doing of Cameron

Hardly, MPs voted by 544 to 53 to have a referendum.

@frazzledmumofteo Everyone just wants to criticise her, but the Brexit mandate she was given was completely impossible. She is showing leadership amongst complete chaos to try to bring it to a conclusion - either agree to the only compromise deal that is possible, OR we revoke Article 50 and don't leave at all

She chose the dates and the red lines and a hard rather than soft Brexit...she’s been badly advised but also didn’t take good advice, she’s caving in to a party within a party, she’s not being a leader and she’s certainly not speaking for me. I’m not tired I’m furious.

Hear hear.

I don’t get why people keep saying that they can’t ignore the referendum.
Referendums get ignored all the time around Europe.
Google Greece referendum 2015, for instance.
Or, like the Barcelona referendum, declare it inadmissible - goodness knows there were plenty of instances of lawbreaking and external interference with Brexit.
May’s party is pushing Brexit at all costs for the rest of us, in order to make money out of it and avoid questions about anything else to do with running the country.

Thanks for the updates on the speech. I missed it. I was watching Family Guy.

She is MAD I cannot believe my eyes and ears today especially.
She is dictatorial and delusional!

I think every single MP should be sacked clear the place out and have GE put all new faces and brains in there anyone that has been voted in in the last 10 years not allowed to stand! Clear the bloody lot of them out of there they are good for absolutely nothing which this shit show has more than proved

Signed the petition. I don't think it is ever a waste of time to try and make your voice heard on important issues.

TM took on an impossible task with Brexit. That said, she didn't even try to garner any cross-party support to help negotiate any agreement that might have had a chance of succeeding. She has just farted about for two years trying to do everything her own way and has achieved precisely nothing.

Petition almost at 375,000 now.

Get a grip op.

No other PM could manage this any better and you know it.

EU had no intention of offering a deal of any kind. We knew that two years ago, and I am sorry it’s taken you this long to work it out.

We need to get on with it, and then move on as a country.

Tbh i blame people like Cameron, Boris Johnson and Rees Mogg. 2 of these want Brexit but don't want to be pm. One instigated Brexiy but id nowhere to be seen.

There is something ultimately wrong with her.

Authoritarian Personality.

We're just not obedient enough.

Is ...why can i not type?

I’d like to be in the room today when Her Majesty has her weekly audience with TM. TM is trying to steamroll over the Constitution which Her Maj won’t like at all.

No other PM could manage this any better and you know it

We need to get on with it, and then move on as a country.

This is what she’s banking on, people who haven’t been paying much attention.

She has done a terrible job at so many turns, but if she blames parliament, she hopes she might get away with it. Doesn’t bode well for the next round of negotiations even if it does pass.

I think people need to remember that her deal even though it doesn't have a majority, still has more support than all thr other plans. Norway, customs union whatever. The fundamental issue is no plan or idea has a majority in the house. It is really important to understand that, irrelevant of MPs going on about their perfect brexit.

However I'd agree her speech was a very bad idea and she needed to take some responsibility herself.

Although I do suspect whomever was primeminister it would have ended the same unless we had some tosser wanting to take us out with no deal.

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I can assure you I have been following developments very carefully. On an hourly basis.
The whole country feels tired now, we need to leave and move on.

Brexit is not going to be cancelled, postponed indefinitely or re run. We are not North Korea. To have a fully functioning democracy referendums need to be implemented.

I am no fan or Theresa May, but she is doing her best under enormous strain.

the Brexit mandate she was given was completely impossible. She is showing leadership amongst complete chaos to try to bring it to a conclusion

Back when she sought the mantle of office the 'Brexit mandate' was actually anything she wanted it to be. She chose to pander to the ERG and encourage their delusions because her blind spot is immigration and she is too stupid to understand what the rest of their agenda is about. Hence her red lines, which curtailed freedom of manouver and ensured that there was no way the process of Brexit would be anything but fraught. Another blind spot was her willingness to listen to Nick Timothy.

Anyone stupid enough to maintain a wild eyed ideologue like Nick Timothy as a trusted advisor for as long as she did (and she only gave him and Fiona Hill the bum's rush after a few members of her cabinet spoke very sternly to her) clearly has no idea how politics works and no idea about the history of her own country.

And it is a big problem that neither she nor her government had a clue how the EU works or an iota of respect for the GFA.

This is all down to her. She is occupying an office for which she is temperamentally and intellectually unsuited.

It's all going rather well for the asset stripping American inspired right wing head bangers like ERG. But May knows this.
To be sold bit by bit to the US is not in the interests of or the will of the people.