To think that Teresa May's speech this evening was an absolute fucking disgrace?

[Livingtothefull]

'You, the public, have had enough.
“You’re tired of the infighting, you’re tired of the political games and the arcane procedural rows, tired of MPs talking about nothing else but Brexit when you have real concerns about our children’s schools, our National Health Service, knife crime'.

“You want this stage of the Brexit process to be over and done with. I agree. I am on your side. ”

So: 'You’re tired of all the shit that my party and my government have caused eg through years of cuts to the health and police services. It's not my fault that Brexit has been so appallingly badly handled, I'm only the Prime Minister and it's everyone else's fault. So why not just let me have my way and things will all get better? I am a mindreader and presume to know what you want, even though I display zero empathy in my public utterances, and I know you all want Brexit (even though only a small proportion of the electorate actually voted for it, 3 years ago)'.

We’re finished as a country if this is the best we can do, it is just heartbreaking that our country has been brought to this. I cant believe that this woman is in a position of such power and represents our country.

I don't WANT you on my side, just get away from me.

twofingerstoEverything

I think that email address deserves a thread of it's own. Have you shared on FB and other SM?

Just sent him this email.

Hi Nigel

I have signed the petition linked below and I just wanted to let you know that I'm not a bot or Russian. I know were a little worried about Russian interference in our votes (with good reason) so hope this reassures you.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

I got it from the 48% Facebook page, so they've shared it. Also shared on own pages.

Originating link is Nigel Farage. So totally credible

Oh i see what you mean

Hashahahahahahahahahahahaaaahhahahahahahahaaaa fucking ha

Petition is over 3.7 million now apparently....let's see when it gets up to 4.

Here's hoping for a massive turnout tomorrow as well.

KennDodd I have just snickered immoderately at that email.

Is anyone on Nige's march route? How's it going?

The marchers are in my neck of the woods this weekend. The roads are closed so that we can't laugh at all 6 marchers who are left.

Thank you triglesoffy, just wondering how it was comparing against Remain London today. Poorly then. Excellent.

Follow the Twitter updates of @LedByDonkeys - hilarious! Apparently Farage has a guy to hold his hat and coat. Farage is walking today because it is Leicestershire and that's pretty.

It's hilarious how quiet Farage and his supporters have gone about the big march.

I don't support Nigel Farage
I don't support this government
I do support leaving the EU.

None of this is "hilarious" UnspiritualHome. None of it.

those of you writing on here about the march and how fabulous the petition is and why isn't there a decent Brexit response have bloody short memories.

Polls before the vote showed remain winning handsomely? why? because it asked people like those who go on the marches and are tech savvy and have the time. It didn't ask people in areas who are unable to access these things like older people, less tech savvy and those whose only focus in life is living day to day. I am not saying that only these people voted for Brexit. they didn't.

but all of you calling for a second vote and to scrap article 50 what do you think the response from those who felt disenfranchised the first time is going to be?

I don't see the problem in having another referendum - if the majority still want to leave, they can say so. And they will know what leaving really means this time, too.

“but all of you calling for a second vote and to scrap article 50 what do you think the response from those who felt disenfranchised the first time is going to be?”

I don’t know. What do you think?

at those @LedByDonkeys billboards.

Although AIBU to think it's irresponsible to put this one on a road in Kent, where drivers will be throwing their hands up and yelling because they KNOW DAMN WELL what Dover traffic can be like.

twitter.com/bydonkeys?lang=en
Dominic Raab
I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this... but we are particularly reliant on the Dover–Calais crossing.
7 Nov 2018

MummyMeister

I think those people will be suitably chastened at having the nerve to vote to leave and possibly upset the applecart.

I did read a few weeks ago on here that if we revoke that the govt should address the real reasons why some people voted to leave - poverty, lack of affordable homes and so on. Haven't heard that mentioned for a while, so possibly forgotten about - like they are already.

I didn't vote in 2016 (health issues) and I'm glad tbh.
Some of the hypocrisy on here us astounding.

*is

Betrand - well let me see. wont it be all just kiss and make up and be fwends and all get along together.?

those who voted leave like me will simply give up and just accept that we were all stupid, ignorant, old, didn't know what we were voting for, didn't know ….

Of course it wont. if we have a second referendum and the vote which will be equally close goes to remain those voting Brexit will be just as furious as you feel now. I will go out on the streets then and march.

the far right will have an absolute field day. you might not be seeing it on your newsgroups and local forums but I am.

people are just being so blinkered. this isn't just all going to go away if we withdraw article 50? the genie is out of the bottle now.

and how do you think all this will be received in Europe? I don't want closer integration and an EU superstate with common everything.

either way there is going to be civil unrest and pain. its inevitable because of the complete mishandling by MP's - all MP's.

Hmm. Or you could all just go out and vote again. Why do you think you won’t win a second time? What with being in the right and all....

Have to say, your post does seem a teensy bit like a threat..........

I haven't forgotten about it Clarice. I live in a leave area. The far right must be rubbing its hands together.

the more remainers push this, the further the gap becomes. too many people feel disenfranchised, not listened to, ignored, patronised. And they have felt this for years. not just on one vote (before remainers pile in and tell me this is how they feel) If we go back on the decision now I am seriously worried about what will happen to the area that I live in.

“ If we go back on the decision now I am seriously worried about what will happen to the area that I live in.”

So do you think you will “lose” another referendum?

why should I vote a second time Bertrand when I voted a first time and this hasn't been enacted? best of 3? best of 5?

a second vote will be just as close. there wont be a 70:30 type majority either way. and why would that be any more legitimate if remain won that. because its remain and that's what you want.

and please don't patronise me with your teensy bit of a threat. get out there and into communities like mine and see how the far right is winning their arguments. or just look at the USA. I am seriously worried about the rise of the far right and cant understand why others aren't.

“. I am seriously worried about the rise of the far right and cant understand why others aren't”

I am too. And there is nothing like unemployment, poverty and lack of social cohesion to power the rise of the right. Just the sort of conditions Brexit will produce.

For me the map says it all. Huge swathes of the country are voting in very small numbers. The large amounts of signatures are mostly around London. For many leavers, nothing has changed and they would vote leave again. In the years since the vote, no one has addressed the reasons why certain areas voted leave, nothing has improved for those people. In fact, with the advent of universal credit, it’s got worse (I know that’s nothing to do with the EU but it doesn’t help people feeling even more downtrodden). Those people are angry at the government, they don’t care about the middle classes and the rich. Give them a good reason to want to remain and they may have listened. Things like groceries being more expensive doesn’t really make a difference because those people see that as short term pain for long term gain. I’m not saying I believe that. But that’s what they believe.

Betrand - do you know the six numbers for tonights lottery draw as well?

you have no idea whether Brexit will make the economic situation better or worse. You can do a best guess but you don't know for sure.

same as you don't know for sure (and neither do I) that staying in the EU with its ever closer union and 15% budget cuts to farming subsidies and its changes to grant funding and all the other post 2020 changes its planning wont lead to these very same conditions.

what you and I are both doing is our best guess based on the facts as we know and understand them. Mine is it would be better to be out. yours is it would be better to stay in.

I respect your point of view. I don't agree with it. Nothing I have read or seen so far has made me change that point of view.

I don't want another referendum not because of the fear of losing but because of the inevitable extension of the pain and confusion it will cause to the country. and even when we get the result so what? if its 48/52 again to leave will you and others just shut up then and accept it?

if its 48/52 remain don't you see that brexiteers will want to have a third vote as best of three?