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AIBU to ask Leavers if this is what you voted for?

452 replies

longwayoff · 19/03/2019 22:35

And if it is are you looking forward to 29th?

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BeerandBiscuits · 20/03/2019 08:49

3 years worth of older folk have passed away, and they would have been more likely to vote leave.

But there'd also be those like me, who voted Remain, but are now 3 yrs older and have the wisdom that comes with age and now want to leave Grin.

KennDodd · 20/03/2019 08:51

Funny that Leave voters are angry with Remainers/EU and yet Brexiteer politicians who told a pack of lies and sold you a pup are never in the firing line. Why is that?

time4chocolate · 20/03/2019 08:51

But we can leave. We are leaving. It will be catastrophic for our economy, risks the hard won peace in NI and even threatens the break up of the UK. We were told all this in advance and chose this path

So did nearly every MP.

BorisBogtrotter · 20/03/2019 08:55

I love how at the time of the vote on article 50, the political atmosphere meant that MPs were being compelled to enact "the will of the people" judges who upheld British constitutional law were derided as traitors as was anyone still objecting to the process, any MP actually fulfilling their constitutional role in a representitive democracy was also castigated.

Now its their responsibility to have fulfilled this role, despite the feral political atmosphere are the time, and the demands of the leave campaigners and voters.

Lets think if MPs had acted as representitive and not delegates all you leavers would have screamed.

Now its their fault, and certainly not yours.

You won, this is your victory, get over it.

BeerandBiscuits · 20/03/2019 08:58

Funny that Leave voters are angry with Remainers/EU and yet Brexiteer politicians who told a pack of lies and sold you a pup are never in the firing line. Why is that?

Politicians tell lies about lots of things, we've got used to it. No point in being angry.

KennDodd · 20/03/2019 08:59

And let's not forget they did all this under the shadow of the murder of Jo Cox killed by someone shouting 'Britain First'.

LegoPiecesEverywhere · 20/03/2019 09:02

I remember reading a post on Mumsnet right after the Brexit vote where a leaver was saying that the U.K. would leave with a brilliant deal as they have some of the brightest and brilliant minds in the world. He/she mentioned James Dyson as one such brilliant mind.

BorisBogtrotter · 20/03/2019 09:03

"Politicians tell lies about lots of things, we've got used to it. No point in being angry."

Cop out.

The lies were pointed out at the time, by experts.

You didn't need to listen to them.

This is leavers fault, suck it up.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 20/03/2019 09:12

But I still maintain that you cannot have a club that members are not allowed to leave

We are leaving the club. It’s our own stupid fault we thought we could stop paying to be a member of the EU whilst retaining its benefits.

PBo83 · 20/03/2019 09:14

And let's not forget they did all this under the shadow of the murder of Jo Cox killed by someone shouting 'Britain First'.

One nut-case with extreme right wing views is not representative of 17.4 million people. Ridiculous point.

time4chocolate · 20/03/2019 09:18

I'm not playing the blame game at all just stating facts.

I love how at the time of the vote on article 50, the political atmosphere meant that MPs were being compelled to enact "the will of the people" judges who upheld British constitutional law were derided as traitors as was anyone still objecting to the process, any MP actually fulfilling their constitutional role in a representitive democracy was also castigated

The time for them to act in the so called 'country's interest' was before June 16. It was quite clearly stated the 'will of the people' would be enacted and it is what the whole country expected (whichever side 'won'). I would have expected people in Westminster to already know that you revise for the exam before the date you sit it and not after.

But hey, I get that it's easier option to question (and I use that in the losest sense of the word) Leavers for not ticking the correct box.

JustHereForThePooStories · 20/03/2019 09:19

@Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld, you won. Deal with it.

I’m not a Brit, nor do I live in the UK. From the outside looking in, I’m amused astonished at what you lot have done to yourselves, and why.

Remember all the other countries Leavers said would be queueing up to get out of the EU? Where are they? A few right wing pockets, but no referenda, no triggering of Article 50.

This morning, the Financial Times report that Britain may lose an estimated £1 TRILLION in financial assets, due to Brexit. A TRILLION (see Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld, I can use caps too!)
www.ft.com/content/016171be-4a74-11e9-8b7f-d49067e0f50d?segmentId=080b04f5-af92-ae6f-0513-095d44fb3577

In a nation with median income of £28,667, that’s the equivalent of almost 35 million salaries taken out of the UK economy. Well, at least you won’t have to worry about dem pesky immigants takin’ all your jaaaabs.

Recently, Royal London wrote to me to tell me that my account with them, and 459,999 others, will be moved to Dublin.
My husband’s company have moved funds totaling £12bn out of London.

If you voted leave, or if you didn’t vote, you’re responsible for this. If you’ve ever voted to elect the likes of Farage, Johnson, or Rees-Mogg, you’re responsible for this.

Still, blue passports, eh? (Fabriqué en France, of course).

BorisBogtrotter · 20/03/2019 09:21

You totally can question leavers for putting the tick in the correct box.

You can question the atmosphere the campaign they back created, you can question the way the media behaved toward people who did put the countries interests first.

What you can't do is blame anyone else for it. When you voted for leave, this is what you voted for.

Take the blame.

time4chocolate · 20/03/2019 09:27

I am more than happy to own my vote and would vote exactly the same way tomorrow, next week, next year.

The question for me would be, in a hypothetical second Ref, with the options being Remain, WA or 'no deal' which of the leave options I would select.

I'm off to work now so will catch up later.

PBo83 · 20/03/2019 09:31

As time4chocolate has said, as a leave voter myself, I too am happy to own my vote.

This doesn't mean I don't have misgivings about the way in which MPs are dealing with the negotiations but that doesn't and wouldn't change my original vote.

BorisBogtrotter · 20/03/2019 09:37

Great.

So this is what you voted for.

Well done.

BoneyBackJefferson · 20/03/2019 09:39

KennDodd
Funny that Leave voters are angry with Remainers/EU and yet Brexiteer politicians who told a pack of lies and sold you a pup are never in the firing line. Why is that?

Because you don't listen/only hear what you want to hear?
Because they have run away and not even remainers mention them?
Because all of the facts in this (from both sides) seem to be fluid and change form day to day depending on what people want to post?

Take your pick, the only answer that you are going to be happy with is the one that you choose and it matches your bias.

MaMaMaMySharona · 20/03/2019 10:10

badlydrawnperson have you been keeping up with the news at all? What do you think is happening on 29th March?

twofingerstoEverything · 20/03/2019 12:08

So, we have a leaver saying (in capitals): NO LEAVER VOTED FOR THE CURRENT SHIT SHOW
And then further on we have leave voters saying they would still vote the same way again, demonstrating that despite having seen the shitshow they would vote for the shitshow again. Is that right?
Hmm

PBo83 · 20/03/2019 12:29

So, we have a leaver saying (in capitals): NO LEAVER VOTED FOR THE CURRENT SHIT SHOW
And then further on we have leave voters saying they would still vote the same way again, demonstrating that despite having seen the shitshow they would vote for the shitshow again. Is that right?

People who voted to leave voted for exactly that, to leave the European Union. The 'shit show' which has resulted is largely down to both ineptitude and in-fighting between politicians and political parties. This isn't to say that leaving the EU was ever going to be 'simple'. You can believe that Britain is better out of the EU whilst still being angry at the way Brexit is being handled.

Hamsternauts · 20/03/2019 12:31

My dad voted Leave. He just blames how it's gone on Theresa May and the EU. He thinks Jacob Rees Mogg would be a good person to sort it all out. God help us!

PBo83 · 20/03/2019 12:38

He just blames how it's gone on Theresa May and the EU

Are you saying that Theresa May and her negotiations with the EU aren't (at least partly) to blame for how the Brexit process has gone so far?

Hamsternauts · 20/03/2019 12:57

Yes, because who do you think would have done better than her?

Alsohuman · 20/03/2019 13:09

Well I didn’t vote remain through fear. It was obvious for economic reasons alone that staying in the EU was the best thing for the country. Cameron’s mistake was complacency. The terms of the referendum should have been that the winning side had to have at least 55% of the vote for the result to be valid. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

MissGiddyPants · 20/03/2019 13:10

May has tried to appease Leavers and Remainers and ended up pleasuring no one.

I often moan that there is no excellence in this country anymore. And this just underlines that in red ink.

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