AIBU to ask Leavers if this is what you voted for?

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And if it is are you looking forward to 29th?

So was it not obvious when she sent the Article 50 notification with no plan, or wasted weeks on an ill-fated election where she campaigned terribly, or set out her Lancaster House redlines that were internally inconsistent, or the Chequers plan that lasted five minutes because it wasn't based in reality, or failed to build a consensus across the House, or tried to ram through a deal that nobody liked, or was found in contempt of Parliament...

Theresa May has a lot to answer for.

NO LEAVER VOTED FOR THE CURRENT SHIT SHOW.

erm I'm sorry but any vote to leave was absolutely a vote for a shit show. It was a naive, poke a stick in the dark and pick one of at least a dozen options (including the current shit show).

I totally agree Cameron should never have tabled the idea of a referedum, but May has been dealt the shittiest of sticks and tried to get a deal. Its absolutely delusional to think anyone else would have done better given that the task in hand is akin to rounding up a tribe of unicorns frim the far reaches of the galaxy.....

I'll wait and see how long it is until someone tells me that if i just had 'faith' in Britain then it's all going to be ok.

They voted and they won and they want their prize, no matter the cost. Because they won so deal with it and stop moaning because we survived WW2.

I have never heard any leaver say anything more coherent that the above.

Oh I don't know Normandy, if Theresa May has one talent, it's for making the worst possible decision in any scenario.

Brexit: imagine if your DC and 27 of his classmates pooled their Lego and built a huge continuous model for several years. Then one day, one of them wants to leave and would like all of their Lego back. Specifically, all the blue ones.

The Lego was built in a series of pieces with different pieces on different desks.

I knew exactly what a shitshow this would be: I worked in finance and government for many years, and consequently had a good idea just how difficult extricating ourselves would be, and just how many, complex, legal consequences there would be. Also, how financially disastrous it would likely be. In a funny way, the Lego analogy upthread isn't actually a bad one. Hence I voted remain.

To the pp who voted to leave, and now has the gall to moan about the (entirely predictable) shitshow: you apparently didn't vote for this. So WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK YOU WERE VOTING FOR, EXACTLY?

Talk about clueless.

NO LEAVER VOTED FOR THE CURRENT SHIT SHOW

Whenever anyone mentioned a shit show, leavers shutdown the conversation with "ooh, that's project fear"

Leavers votes were lead by emotion while remainers votes were lead by facts.
That's why leavers will never be able to say what the concrete benefits are, and why remainers will never be convinced.

Leavers didn't vote for the current shit show, we voted to leave the EU.
Remoaner MPs are betraying everyone by stopping us from honouring the result of 17.4 million people in a vote.

Remainer votes were lead by fear while leavers votes were lead by hope. That's why remainers will never be able to understand what the benefits are, and why leavers will never be able to convince them.

The genie is out of the bottle and will never be put back in.

Given how blindingly obvious it was that it would be a total shitshow, surely the majority of people who voted leave did vote for a total shitshow.

O dear walking. When your horse is dead you need to stop hitting it with a stick, it wont get up again. Even though you were told it was a unicorn when you bought it, and you refuse to see its current state, it's still dead.

I think you’ll find the hard brexiters have been blocking brexit just as much as remainer mps. Also, Brexiteers have had two years to deliver a workable plan to Parliament and the EU and they’ve come up with diddly squat, just a load of guff about “they need us more than we need them”. If there was an effective, workable plan for brexit they would have drafted it prior to the referendum, surely? The fact they didn’t speaks volumes to me.

Cameron instigated the vote with no forethought or plan and then fucked off

Adding to that, Cameron instigated it after an In/Out Ref was overwhelmingly voted for by MPs.

May instigated Article 50 with no forethought or plan and then repeatedly fucked up

Again, it was overwhelmingly voted to invoke A50 by MPs who did so knowing there wasn't a plan and so have contributed to the ensuing shit-show.

There is no MP of any colour (barr Kenneth Clarke and a handful of others) who are blameless in this, no MP wants to own their contribution to it and have spent best part of 3 years trying to blame others. Own it and sort it.

Remainers voted for a status quo that was never going to exist.

I voted against a United States of Europe in the hope that something better than the current EU would grow organically from our decision.

I believe that over the years successive U.K. governments have hidden behind the apron strings of the EU and I hoped that a leave vote would bring about more positive leadership.

Unfortunately it seems that our inability to govern is so deep rooted that we could no longer organise the proverbial piss up in the brewery.

I am ashamed of the UK. In so many ways.

But I still maintain that you cannot have a club that members are not allowed to leave.

An interesting interview on the news yesterday with an academic political researcher. Apparently, a second referendum now would give a win for Remain. Nothing interesting there, but what is interesting is that he and his team found little to no movement form how people voted last time. The swing would be almost entirely due to remainers who couldn't be bothered, or were too complacent, to vote last time.

Just goes to show - if you don't vote, you won't be heard.

I thought most of the the problem with leave/ERG MPs?....apparently the WA isn't leaving enough!
Of course the opposition is going to vote against everything, that's in their name.

I didn't vote (EU citizen) but I wouldn't have voted remain out of fear, I would have voted remain out of actually liking the EU.

I like being in a club with my French/Spanish neighbours, I like that there is oversight if my own government gets a bit power hungry, I like that my family is made up of different nationalities and no one had to marry for a visa.

Waves Tiny EU flag

I think its just as much an emotional decision on the remain side.

Mrs Leadsome on lbc at the moment. Perhaps she can explain everything. Give her a call.

I only know 6 people that voted leave.
3 of them are happy whatever the outcome.
2 of them wish they'd voted remain and in hindsight realise they were only basing their vote on fishing rights - neither of them are fisherman or know any.
The last person voted leave purely for racist reasons.

But I still maintain that you cannot have a club that members are not allowed to leave.

Absolutely agree. I voted Remain but have changed my mind.
We have to get out now while we still can.

Leavers did vote for this shitshow.

The EU said there would be no deal better than membership, it was repeated over and over.

Leavers saud they needed us more than we needed them, Boris said German car manufacturers and Italian Prosecco producers would come to our rescue.

They didn't.

Everyone who said there was significant political uncertainity and risk was dismissed, as were those who said there was significant economic risk.

You won, get over it.

There is no blaming remainer MPs its the ERG who scuppered May's deal.

Now the power over what happens to us in in the hands of the EU 27, taking back control indeed.

I likebeing in a club with my French/Spanish neighbours, Ilikethat there is oversight if my own government gets a bit power hungry, Ilikethat my family is made up of different nationalities and no one had to marry for a visa.

I'm with you on this.
A few leave voters I know absolutely hate the conservatives and I was quite baffled that they would be happy leaving them to run the show with no 'greater ruling'. Then again, they'd also never voted in a GE but were happy to complain about whoever won, so that says a lot.

"But I still maintain that you cannot have a club that members are not allowed to leave."

We are allowed to leave, that's perfectly fine.

We have to settle the bill first and can't have access to all the benefits of the club for free after leaving though or pick and choose which bit of the club rules we will follow if we do want to use the facilities.

That's the problem

What has made me chuckle recently - I've seen news articles about lorry drivers saying they will block major UK motorways if leaving on the 29th is delayed.
Those are the exact people that are likely to lose their jobs in the event of a no deal brexit! Makes absolutely no sense

The swing would be almost entirely due to remainers who couldn't be bothered, or were too complacent, to vote last time.

That, but also, there three years worth of people turning 18 who would now be able to vote. Research shows young people are more likely to vote remain. 3 years worth of older folk have passed away, and they would have been more likely to vote leave.
So this could also swing it.

I like being in a club with my French/Spanish neighbours

That's all fine and dandy, however, there are some people who don't like being in that same club and voted accordingly and in the majority.

17 million people would like their Lego back please

But I still maintain that you cannot have a club that members are not allowed to leave.

But we can leave. We are leaving. It will be catastrophic for our economy, risks the hard won peace in NI and even threatens the break up of the UK. We were told all this in advance and chose this path.