AIBU to ask Leavers if this is what you voted for?

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And if it is are you looking forward to 29th?

I feel similarly disposed to people who voted Tory as some remainers feel toward me as a leave voter - however, unlike some putting forward the vicious and unnecessary invective on here, I am prepared to accept that however misguided/stupid/uneducated/brainwashed etc they are it is their right to vote as they please.

Living in a democracy means your fellow voters often seem to support illogical stupid and damaging things for what seem to you to be baffling reasons.

The inability to show the slightest respect for another point of view is nasty and worrying.

TM is not being allowed by leave MPs.

Its leave MPs that throw the spanner in the works, every time. The reason being that the closer it gets to being real the less it looks like what they promised, and the less advantageous it is to their ideal of forcing through massive economic change.

Ah moo, you can make statements all you like, but you can't back them up.

what's hilarious is that remainers like to think of themselves as being the liberal tolerant ones, yet I have never seen such vitriol and downright nastiness directed at half the voters due to their legitimate choice. baffling

TM is not being allowed by leave MPs

Given the size of the defeats, they aren't all "Leave MPs" whatever that is supposed to mean. There must be significant numbers of MPs on either side of the leave/remain divide voting against the WA.

boris come on love, read up on stuff. It's not for me to spoon feed a grown up

BorisBogtrotter - I know that, and I blame both sides of MPs. Neither are letting her do what people voted for.

Again, you play this victim card.

Remain voters have been repeatedly told to shut up, they lost, traitors, whingers, quislings, enemies of the people.

Waah wahh victim leavers.

Its why you can't sort this shit out, cause you blame everyone else.

Always said it was the loser vote.

I have never seen such vitriol and downright nastiness directed at half the voters due to their legitimate choice.

^^ this is what has really surprised me about the whole thing. If the vote had been to remain, I very much doubt those who had voted leave would have reacted this way.

" come on love, read up on stuff. It's not for me to spoon feed a grown up"

I was the one that provided evidence to you, pet, I can back my arguments yours are just supposition.

Remain voters have been repeatedly told to shut up, they lost,

We probably tell you to shut up, because its just constant abuse! Every rational argument we try and have, we just get called racists. That's the go to line.
And also, you did lose.

Again, you play this victim card nope, sorry, you are now making no sense

its why you can't sort this shit out I'm not actually a member of government so not really in a position to sort it out?

Boris I don't know how you can read this thread and try to act like it's leavers who are acting hard done by or that they're the ones throwing abuse. This whole thread was created by a remainer to antagonise so unfortunately the moral high ground we do not have.

Prequelle Unfortunately most of the brexit threads on here are just to antagonise, so leavers tend to stay away. The OPs then say that we obviously don't know what we are talking about/stupid/don't care as we aren't answering. Lose/Lose situation.

Leave voters regularly reveal themselves not to have voted for valid reasons.

Leave voters give as good as they get then play victim.

Leave voters regularly reveal themselves not to have voted for valid reasons.

If only I lived in a life so full of certainty. Do you have any idea how arrogant that sounds? I guess you are so sure you're right that you don't care?

FWIW as I said before - I can see no valid reasons to vote Tory, but I certainly wouldn't be so arrogant as to assert that was "the truth" or "the facts" - it's just my opinion.

Your valid reasons are different from my valid reasons, hence why we voted differently. So not sure that's a good argument.

You can prove opinions to be true.

My opinion that a vote to leave would result in chaos where no one would be satisfied has been.

My opinion that much of the leave vote wasn't anything to do with issues of the EU has been.

@Lauriemarlow

Fuck me, really? hmm

I don’t see anyone saying that the EU is perfect, but you really voted to make the country poorer, jeopardise peace in NI, put the country in a weaker position internationally because of sanitary product VAT?

Yes but it means so much more than VAT on one product. It's the whole ethos that the EU tells our elected UK government what we can and cannot do. That's not why we entered the original Common Market.

There's no clear evidence to bear out the rest of your statements.

There are no valid reasons for leave.

Not once in three years has one been given

All spurious, all badly thought out, knee jerk, reactionary populist twaddle.

There must be significant numbers of MPs on either side of the leave/remain divide voting against the WA.
Presumably because they see that the WA puts the UK in a worse position than we're already in. As for a no deal Brexit...

"It's the whole ethos that the EU tells our elected UK government what we can and cannot do."

See making points like this really doesn't hold up unless of course you are saying we would have to come out of WTO agreements too, and not sign any trade agreements.

All of these type of agreements include rules about what we can and cannot do, and what we are allowed to tax and subsidies at what levels.

But then you thoroughly researched that didn't you.

BorisBogtrotter You truly are the classic 'remainer' No one else's opinion is going to be good enough, so I shall bow out now and cross my fingers very tightly that a no deal Brexit happens very soon.

Brexit isn't a mess. We aren't "crashing out". The UK completely leaving the EU with no direct deal/tie in to the EU suits most of us. The EU will be begging to trade with us very quickly.

Somebody upthread really wrote this. It's so sad.

There are no valid reasons for leave.

As I said, it must be lovely to live in such a world of simplistic certainties - and I can see how it can prevent you from seeing or accepting any opinions you don't like. Well done.