To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

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Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

I have no idea what your point is.

You said that there is no double standard.

For every terrorist that is Muslim, we are attacked online, harassed, I got spat at and called a fucking terrorist on the Tube once, we are questioned for the actions of a stranger. Have you seen that happen to white people every time there is a white terrorist? Every time(hence why I mentioned the US school shootings, most of which had white shooters)?

If you have not seen these things happen to white people every time there is a white terrorist, then there is a double standard.

What happened in Christchurch was classed as a terrorist attack by the government on the day that it happened. Stop looking for double standards that aren't there. We have quite enough of those already with you inventing more.

I do expect them to condemn them (privately at least!)

Then you're wrong and you're assuming those shared values and ideologies are the ones associated with terrorism which they are very much not.

What stuck out for me was the reporting. At least half of reports I read described what happened as an attack as opposed to 'terrorist attack'. It is as though some people are subconsciously differentiating.
The responses from the New Zealand and Australian Prime minister's were spot on and that is the attitude we should all have.

The attacks were absolutely disgusting and world leaders are going to have to address the issue of white supremacy.

I do think subconscious racism and white privilege is entrenched in society like a bad smell hanging around from colonial times.

Sick, probably mentally ill, certainly obsessive individuals are completely wrong in their actions but there's no need for the wider population to apologise

Yep, white people who commit these atrocities are mentally ill (or, at worst, mass murderers , as another poster pointed out). Brown ones are of course terrorists

Only last year someone I meant assumed I supported the IRA because of my heritage so I’m
not sure what “past” your referring to? I never said white supremacy was not a problem I simply stated a fact that other white people have had to answer for other white peoples actions.

"Hahaha do white people get questioned and harassed or asked to justify a terrorist attack every time there is a US school shooting, then?"

Those in favour of Guns do. The anti-gun lobby go out in force. But I get the point that it becomes about Guns and not the colour or religion of the shooter.

Often these Muslim Terrorists are from 'ordinary' Muslim Families. The questions are asked how radicalisation could have happened. That's the same as the questions asked what led to the White person doing the shooting.

You might not like it, but there's been problems found in the teachings in the Muslim only Schools and after care providers. Its interesting that it was said that we aren't interested in the killing of Muslims in Muslim Countries, but a lot of these Countries have been forced into becoming Muslim. If the Christian Countries get involved, we are castigated for it.

We need to just to work against all extremism.

What happened in Christchurch was classed as a terrorist attack by the government on the day that it happened. Stop looking for double standards that aren't there. We have quite enough of those already with you inventing more.

You genuinely believe there is no double standard? Have you witnessed people blaming the entire white population for the actions of one terrorist then? Like Muslims have been blamed, ten times over?

YANBU

And it’s terribly sad.

Exactly Frenchmontana

Only last year someone I meant assumed I supported the IRA because of my heritage so I’m not sure what “past” your referring to? I never said white supremacy was not a problem I simply stated a fact that other white people have had to answer for other white peoples actions.

Surely you then realise that the number of Muslims and POC expected to answer for random terrorists far exceeds the number of Irish people being harassed in today's society? Hence why there is a double standard?

The questions are asked how radicalisation could have happened. That's the same as the questions asked what led to the White person doing the shooting.

You know fully well that the only questions that Muslims are asked are not just how radicalisation happened. You know fully well that Muslims are harassed, likened to the terrorist themselves, asked why they 'let' it happen even if they had no connection to the person at all, asked to apologise, etc. It isn't a cosy chat where they ask what is being put in place in local communities to stop radicalisation Have you been on the Britain First Twitter account before?

No OP, I strongly disagree with you because you’re promoting the sort of whataboutery that has led us into this violence and created tit for tat destruction.

Extremists kill people. Most people aren’t extremists and don’t kill anybody so they’re not to blame.

Yes it is normal to feel bewildered, shocked and look for answers when someone does something inexplicable like kill innocent people and you’re doing it too.

These problems are caused on both sides by people who don’t like people who are not like them which that gives them the right to kill them.

And people like that, on both sides, are very fond of claiming that their particular group they belong to is uniquely oppressed and vilified which feeds a sense of grievance which festers in to more violence.

You’re part of the problem OP, not part of the solution. Identity politics is a cancer that has divided us more than we have ever been before. This squabbling about whether white people or Muslims are worse is just divisive rhetoric which creates more bitterness and resentment and fuels violence. And you’re doing exactly what extremists on both sides want by creating hatred and division between groups and an ‘us against them’ mentality.

No violence against anybody is ever acceptable. There is never any justification for violence. Collective responsibility is bullshit whoever it’s applied to.

And yes, it is your responsibility and everybody else’s to condemn terror in all it’s forms wherever we find it regardless of who has committed it.

Attitudes like yours are what is creating this cycle of violence OP.

How can people on this thread not understand what point the OP is making. Are you really that dense, incapable of understanding the written word, or just looking for offense where none exists?

YANBU op but perhaps this is partly because most (not all but most) of Islamic terrorist attacks against non-Muslim countries/areas are carried out by an organised cell who are proud to take responsibility for it - whereas most of the attacks on Muslim victims have not been until more recently. Clearly inspired and fuelled by institutional and cultural islamophobia/racism yes, but not directly organised in the same way that eg al qaida, isis or IRA terrorism has been. Hence easier to pinpoint a direct culprit - who usually claim responsibility in any case.

I think an overdue dialogue is starting to happen now about institutional and cultural racism, and the rise of more coherently organised white supremacy groups. The NZ attack is clear evidence that a more organised grouping is a problem now. We need to identify the actual groups now (I'm sure intelligence services already have).

Surely you then realise that the number of Muslims and POC expected to answer for random terrorists far exceeds the number of Irish people being harassed in today's society? Hence why there is a double standard?

I would say that’s because most recent terrorist attacks have been carried out by Islamic extremists. Before 9/11 I think it was less common for muslims to be called terrorists. If the IRA started bombing again then I think there would be a shift back to attacking obviously Irish people & if next week a group of bald people committed a campaign of terrorist attacks then other bald people would be subjected to abuse.

TacoLover, you are just as bad. Your post is just: ‘white people do this, white people think that, we’re being targeted by white people because they collectively blame us and look at this tiny fringe group who are regularly prosecuted - they’re an example of what white people are like and how white people treat others’.

You’re doing exactly what the people you’re complaining about do!

It’s whataboutery, justification, generalisations on both sides. That’s what creates violence.

You said that there is no double standard.

I am sure that there is a double standard for some people but I think you are very incorrect if you think that "white people" are never blamed for anything that white extremist so anywhere in the world.

For every terrorist that is Muslim, we are attacked online, harassed, I got spat at and called a fucking terrorist on the Tube once, we are questioned for the actions of a stranger. Have you seen that happen to white people every time there is a white terrorist? Every time(hence why I mentioned the US school shootings, most of which had white shooters)?

I haven't seen that but arguably it isn't the same thing. The US school shootings haven't been people of one religion attacking those who aren't the same religion or even one race attacking another race. A more similar scenario to Muslims "being asked to explain themselves" would be extremists who identified as Christian killing people (whatever their colour) because they weren't Christian. I think some people would ask other Christians to condemn this and Christian churches would be expected to intervene.

the number of Irish people being harassed in today's society? Hence why there is a double standard?

For a start there are less Irish people (even less Irish Catholics if we are talking IRA attacks). So yes the number of Irish people being harassed is less.

And also it's not something people really talk about. It's totally acceptable to take the piss out of Irish people, mock them ask if the are terrorists.

I was asked this week what my cousins had been upto over the bomb packages. The person saying thought it was hilarious. Yes the IRA are in the news again.....must be one of my relatives since we are IRA if we are Irish and catholic. I have had 2 other comments this week.

And as a child, as I said my nana would be refused service in some shops, shouted at and spat at.

So no finding get your point.

Also, I haven't seen the horrendous attack in NZ referred to as a terrorist attack. Anywhere
really?
"Mr Tarrant was described by Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison as an "extremist, right-wing, violent terrorist"bbc
"Ms Ardern called the attack "an act of terror"bbc
"49 people were killed and 20 seriously injured, in a hate-filled terror attack " cnn
"How world reacted to New Zealand terror attack" daily teleegraph

and many many many more. maybe don't read the Sun?

Not sure those who did this benefit from any supremacy. It's highly fashionable to link supremacy and white together at the moment, has been for the past year. Doesn't make it true that all white people are supreme or all black people aren't.

And don't mix religion and colour together they are not the same and it just weakens your argument.

You say other Muslims had nothing to do with radicalisation

And where have I said that exactly?

TacoLover, you are just as bad. Your post is just: ‘white people do this, white people think that, we’re being targeted by white people because they collectively blame us and look at this tiny fringe group who are regularly prosecuted - they’re an example of what white people are like and how white people treat others’. You’re doing exactly what the people you’re complaining about do!

You see, this is always what it comes down to. Someone coming on here suggesting that POC are 'the problem' or the cause of violence, that racism from other people is out fault because we complain about it. Valid concerns are reduced to being called identity politics. Pointing out a double standard makes racism our fault apparently. The reason why I say white people is because the vast, vast majority of people doing this are white people. Do you see POC running around attacking Muslims or saying that they aren't true Britons? Do you see POC arguing that white supremacy doesn't exist?

I've seen your posts for a while Bejam and I know what you do. You love to try and shut down conversation and minimise people's concerns, saying things in the vein of oh you're being ridiculous, oh this is PC gone mad, stop your identity politics. I hope you feel superior looking down on those of us who dare to be angry about racism. Your attitude is ridiculous. Should POC never say anything about issues that affect them? I just hope any POC reading your posts doesn't stop themselves from speaking out because you think our problems are all stupid, irrelevant identity politics.

I'd like for you to be in my position and spat at on the Tube and called a fucking terrorist because of some random man's actions then tell me I'm just peddling identity politics and it's my fault that we have hate, and that I'm creating the problem

Frenchmontana there's no point arguing with someone that genuinely believes that there is the same level of prejudice against Irish people as Muslims, or who cannot see the double standard. When it's dangerous for you to go out at night, because drunk men at the pub will spit at you and try and rip your hijab off because of who you are, or spit at you on the Tube and call you a fucking terrorist in today's society, because of some random person's actions, then I will believe you. Or does that happen to Irish people today?