To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

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Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

Fuck......sorry, I meant that I wont pretend that racist views are a valid concern. Sorry!

DottieRichardson, a really informative post there. Apparentlyloads of warnings have been repeatedly issued about the worldwide threat from far right terrorism but the politicians worldwide were too busy collecting populist votes on the back of islamophobia to care.

They didn't happen in March 2019?

Patterns in terrorism are tracked across a period of time to look at broader trends, a one-month period is not representative of anything, as it's a snapshot in time not the tracing of incidents across time and then averaged out. Also focusing on other forms of terrorism does not negate the research that demonstrates that white supremacy is a growing problem, and one that strategists and politicians across Europe and the US are struggling to address. Not dealing with those facts is blinkered and diversionary. If heart disease is higher one month than cancer, does that mean cancer is not a huge problem or vice versa? Since we are talking about whether there's a rise in white supremacy then dodging that by looking at other forms of extremism is dishonest and highly suspect.

Dottierichardson

Thanks for those links!

Going through them 1 by 1.

Illuminating and horrifying in equal measure....

Page 16 for anyone wanting to check them out.

Dottie BRAVO!!!!! . So so well said.

MsLucyLastic, please don’t apologise. Your point was extremely clear

Apparently loads of warnings have been repeatedly issued about the worldwide threat from far right terrorism but the politicians worldwide were too busy collecting populist votes on the back of islamophobia to care.

I believe far right extremists are still fringe groups, but they are monitored.

Populists can be on either side of the political spectrum. For many reasons, right wing populists currently are more successful than are left wing populists.

Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto

You want an explanation of the manifesto? He has many reasons, but they really boil down to this -

To incite violence, retaliation and further divide between the European people and the invaders currently occupying European soil.

So basically, like most terrorists, it's a divide and conquer strategy.

I tend to think your posts are an indication that he succeeded in dividing people, just as Islamic terrorists succeed when they pit Muslims against non Muslims, or those that, in their view, are not "Muslim enough".

Othering, isolationism, fanaticsm, hate is a growing problem regardless of the hater or those that they hate.

It’s not though is it. Go to the route of any ideology - religious or not - and you will find a man who wants power. Plain and simple. Whether it’s money, sex or adulation. Religion is a useful hook.

Pewdie I can see that your username predates the NZ atrocity but I feel compelled to alert you to the insensitivity of posting negative comments about Islam using your current username. An article about the terrorist’s use of the PewDiePie meme is here: www.vox.com/culture/2019/3/16/18266930/christchurch-shooter-manifesto-memes-subscribe-to-pewdiepie

It might be best to request your comment be deleted. It really hasn’t added anything meaningful to the discussion.

I assumed Pewdie was well aware of the significance of their name.....

I hope not Betrand but the world really is that unrelentingly awful at the moment, so maybe...

Just to say, I agree with the OP.

It’s not though is it. Go to the route of any ideology - religious or not - and you will find a man who wants power. Plain and simple. Whether it’s money, sex or adulation. Religion is a useful hook.

Quite. That's been so since time immemorial.

Completely agree with you OP, the white supremacy problem has been around for centuries and is at the heart of many world war's, genocides, to this day it is the cause of many world issues without many people even realising.

I think it goes hand in hand with 'white privilege', people don't realise it's happening sometimes, but it's always there...

Yes of course it does, but people will refuse to acknowledge it because, well, white fragility.

Just like when you talk about male violence and you get BUT WAIT NOT ALL MEN YOU ARE DEMONISING MEN.

www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/15/shitposting-inspirational-terrorism-and-the-christchurch-mosque-massacre/

The people supporting Brexit are obviously white, but the driving force in Brexit was the 2 million+ white EU migrants who arrived post-expansion, and the obvious social change that resulted (like Pret a Manger with 65% EU non-British staff

Xenophobia, then.

I think white supremacists/far right sometimes don't see themselves as white supremacists/far right.

They genuinely do think themselves as a bit special and on a crusade against bad-Islam. They may say things like, 'I don't mind black people so I can't be racist.' Or 'Hitler wasn't far-right anyway, he was a socialist.'

Everyone can see what they are though.

Yes, it is certainly complex. And some in the UK have been very unhappy about white /EU27 immigration including some UK Indians and pakistanis were quite pro brexit including HIllingdon not too far from me - see blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/02/20/the-british-asian-vote-for-brexit-contains-a-few-surprises/

We can probably all agree that not being kind to others whoever those people are is a pretty good rule to follow.

Ooops I meant be kind to others.
We can probably all agree that being kind to others whoever those people are is a pretty good rule to follow.

The people supporting Brexit are obviously white

2 million BAME people voted leave. Christ on s bike. Brexiteers get accused of racism but Remainers can make huge sweeping generalisations like this and it’s apparently all fine and dandy.

To make a fair analogy, you’d have to imagine being in a country like Iraq, where there’d been constant terrorist attacks by settled Christians, on muslims, which received lots of outrage by the muslim population, and demands of “why aren’t you condemning it” to the Christians , and them replying that you can’t condemn all Christians for what a certain section does. Then it would require a terror attack by Muslims on the white population, and the Christians expecting a similar response. Who knows if they’d get it. It has to work both ways itms.

I think anyone interested in NZ & white supremacy, should read this:

i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111363583/online-on-talkback-in-taxis-and-at-dinner-tables-the-doctrine-of-white-superiority-is-alive-and-well