To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

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Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

I’m white. I completely agree with you, and you and all Muslims have my full support. I can’t believe people didn’t get the point here. I see it on threads quite frequently - BAME person explains and incident that hurt or annoyed them and why it’s racist, white posters pile and and explain why it isn’t racist, therefore reinforcing the problem. I have no issue admitting that white privilege can turn toxic, lethal and evil. Solidarity.

savanna you mean like us drone attacks in Pakistan for instance?

How are people missing the point of what the OP saying?

Whenever there is an attack carried out by someone who is a Muslim there has developed an expectation that groups such as the Muslim Council of Britain will issue statements saying that this person was not acting in their name, they do not condone violence, they are sorry for the tragic loss of life.

There is also the expectation that Muslim communities should "do something". That the terrorists are living amongst them, attending their mosques, living in their homes. There will be handwringing about how the Muslim community must work to identify these people and alert the authorities or reach them before they become radicalised and turn them away from extremist views.

No such expectations seem to exist for white terrorists.

I'm actually staggered by people's lack of ability to think coherently. The OP is obviously pointing out the double standard where white people are not held accountable for a white terrorist but Muslim people are questioned and harassed when there is a Muslim terrorist. She didn't ACTUALLY suggest that white people should be held accountable ffs. She's not an idiot.

Also, I haven't seen the horrendous attack in NZ referred to as a terrorist attack. Anywhere.

He was welcomed into the mosque by a man who said "welcome brother". That man was shot dead. This bastard shot a tiny child on the ground, over and over. Because he's a white supremacist.

There is no question that Muslims have been expected to answer questions about IS and extremism, and have suffered because of those terrorists.

So why are so many white people bristling when the same questions are asked of us?
These fuckers don't speak for us any more than IS speak for Muslims.

Massive double standards evident on this thread alone, and the world at large.

Which decidedly proves that OP INBU.

You only have to look at some of the headlines in the British newspapers to see that you have a point about the double standards, OP. "Mass murderer" instead of terrorist. "Angelic boy".

And then there is all the disgusting victim blaming that is polluting social media at the moment.

BAME person explains and incident that hurt or annoyed them and why it’s racist, white posters pile and and explain why it isn’t racist, therefore reinforcing the problem

This.

White people as a race do far more damage to others than any other race in the world. Yet it’s the face of black and brown people who are disproportionately spread across newspapers and thrown into prisons and psychiatric units. This terrorist attack does not surprise me. The irony is it’s white who are the immigrants in New Zealand and Australia yet look at the way they treat the indigenous groups.

Race/religion/ethnicity is a passionate topic. You mention it and you get a reaction. That is why politicians use it.

White terrorism is a fucking epidemic and the white community does need to do something to not romanticise the ‘blue eyed blonde boy who became a monster’. The media is very responsible for that. And as a white person ive emailed every editor and asked why they are printing that shit and not the images of the people who lost their lives.

OP you make a very very good point.

I agree with PP that it's fucking annoying when POC explain something racist that's happened to then and white people come in to tell us we're being unreasonable or that there's actually an attack on white people. God forbid there was an actual attack on white people like the rest of us POC have to deal with.

Love how everyone is missing the point of the original post.

No, I get it. It's shit and corrosive to always feel the burn of low-level racism.

It's shit that some terrorists are universally labelled as terrorists and some other terrorists aren't seen that way by everyone.

But if OP were seriously to make the suggestion that we hate each other more to even it up (I know she's not) that's not going to move us all any further forward.

We need intelligent leadership in all communities to take us beyond this.

Because if OP wants to talk about the global picture then this isn't simply "white v Muslim" (not opposites anyway). Look at Myanmar, look at India, look at Palestine.

And actually some who have suggested that it's the fault of Muslim immigration.

Including a New Zealand Senator who put out a statement saying exactly that.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/15/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-australian-senator-blames-terror/

So no, not ‘everyone is in agreement it was a terrorist attack’, not when there are people like him, blaming innocent Muslims just existing in his country for their own deaths. The killer has already been excused at government level, so it will only trickle down from there.

And actually some who have suggested that it's the fault of Muslim immigration.

Including a New Zealand Senator who put out a statement saying exactly that.

Will he lose his seat? Is that a tolerated view in NZ?

The irony is it’s white who are the immigrants in New Zealand and Australia yet look at the way they treat the indigenous groups.

Just last week there was a news story about a hotel chain deliberately giving poorer quality rooms to indigenous guests and saving the nicer rooms for white guests.

White terrorism is a fucking epidemic and the white community does need to do something to not romanticise the ‘blue eyed blonde boy who became a monster’. The media is very responsible for that. And as a white person ive emailed every editor and asked why they are printing that shit and not the images of the people who lost their lives.

How many times have we seen the social media campaign of "don't publish the name and photo of the terrorist, publish the names and photos of their victims instead because they're the ones who should be remembered instead of him".

Funny how there is no such campaign this time.

Tis amazing isn't it, all the people piling in to condemn your post. I think irony is not only dead, it's corpse has resumed and died again.

"Also, I haven't seen the horrendous attack in NZ referred to as a terrorist attack. Anywhere"

I have, many times and a quick Google will show that numerous newspapers and news sites have used that term. I absolutely agree that there are major issues with the way Muslims are represented in the media but it is being referred to as a terrorist attack. Which ever idiot talked about him being 'angelic' ought to be fired though. What does that have to do with anything and There's nothing angelic about slaughtering innocent people.

But if OP were seriously to make the suggestion that we hate each other more to even it up (I know she's not) that's not going to move us all any further forward.

As we both know that she is not saying this, what is your point? She pointed out the double standard. I don't see how that is detrimental. Should POC not point out the double standards? It seems to me always on threads like this some people(not talking about you btw) come out of the woodwork crying white victim and making the problem all about them, saying that the OP is making an attack on white people. It's so frustrating.

For the hard of understanding:

When a Muslim extremist commits a terrorist attack, all non extremist Muslims are expected to condone the attack and apologise.

When a white extremist commits a terrorist attack, there is no call for all white people to apologise.

Do you agree this is unfair?

Will he lose his seat? Is that a tolerated view in NZ

I’m not familiar with NZ political stances, so until I go off to google I’m afraid I don’t know. However, judging from this quote from the article:

Fraser Anning, who is known for his incendiary rhetoric, said the attacks should not be blamed on nationalism but on New Zealand’s migration policy.

It seems he has form for this sort of shit and still has a job.

Tomtontom couldn't have said it better!

I think the world has a problem with extremists. Some are white and some are not white. Those of us who are not extremists are not to blame for their actions whatever our race or religion.

People should never blame all muslims for actions of others. it is totally unfair. I live near lots of hindus and there is not the same generalisations about them.

It doesn't matter what colour this man's hair was he has murdered innocent people.

However the sooner there is no religion on the planet the better. Most of them do not treat women equally and plenty are against homosexuality and propogate views plenty of people are not happy with. Thankfully the Uk now has more people who don't believe in God than do.

Sorry, that’s an Australian Senator who blamed the victims, my mistake in thinking he was a New Zealander. Still a person in position of influence, though thankfully not in the country of the attack.

YADNBU
And the media is to blame.

kipper and cole That wasn't a new zealand senator - it's an Australian one. The suspect is also Australian.

However I'm not going to pretend that new zealand has no problems with racism.the whole world has problems with it.