To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

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Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

Sick, probably mentally ill, certainly obsessive individuals are completely wrong in their actions but there's no need for the wider population to apologise.

Page three and here come the apologists.

@DoneLikeAKipper - I posted before your correction, but for some reason it only just loaded.

I feel for you OP. I started a thread a few months ago because I was angry about people denying the existence of white privilege. In response I got white people asking me why I didn't talk about male privilege and reminding me that it existsAnd of course more comments about how I am 'attacking'

The world is full of supremacy problems. Always has been, hopefully one day never will. Yes there is certainly a white supremacy problem. It has existed for 500 years and I do not know how quickly it can be eradicated when it is widespread and when tabloid newspapers form the codes by which people lead their lives.

Yes we have a big white supremacy terrorism problem and it's time we started treating these killers as terrorists not mixed up men who've had a hard life.
Extremism is extremism it doesn't matter is you are killing people because they are Muslims or because they are westerners it's still an ideological killing borne of hatred.

All social media platforms need to crack down on hate speech from all sides and major media platforms need to look at their selves for how they've fed into this rhetoric too.

p.s. I don't expect any communities to take responsibility for an apologise for terrorism, why should they.

That's true. But it's white people who aren't asked to justify who they are because of the actions of another white person.

I feel that we are actually. Even this thread is to some extent. Yes, I agree that the Australian ambassodor's comments were outrageous and the comments in some sections of the media were also outrageous but I'm not going to apologise for that just because I am white. I'm not responsible for what happens in another country just because I am the same colour.

I absolutely agree.

However, I'd also note that, what, 98%? of terrorists of any creed or colour are male.

Why don't we say we have a masculinity problem?

I'm not going to apologise for that just because I am white. I'm not responsible for what happens in another country just because I am the same colour.

Nor should you have to but how any times have you heard that Muslims need to do more about extremism in their communities after terror attacks.
Muslims are not more responsible for Muslim terrorists than you are for white supremacist terrorists.

The outrage that you feel at being asked to explain this man's actions is the same outrage Muslims have felt for the last 10 years being asked to account for Islamic extremism.

Dungeondragon15. I think you have completely misunderstood this thread!

Nor should you have to but how any times have you heard that Muslims need to do more about extremism in their communities after terror attacks. Muslims are not more responsible for Muslim terrorists than you are for white supremacist terrorists.

I agree but again I am not responsible for those comments just because they were made by people who were white.

The outrage that you feel at being asked to explain this man's actions is the same outrage Muslims have felt for the last 10 years being asked to account for Islamic extremism

I know but I haven't asked Muslims to explain anything and I am not going to apologise for those that do.

Yanbu OP. I am heartbroken for the Muslim community, I did feel very awkward at the school yesterday, I know it was not my fault, just as when Europe was attacked by Isis, the Muslim community felt the brunt.
They held a school assembly so DC could understand, not judge other Muslim DC on the killings.
I think the world as a huge white supremacy problem. A yoing man EE man on bail for murder died after a car crash, he had a huge swastika tattooed on his chest.
I am horrified for the victims but not surprised it happened.
The killer is a racist evil bastard.

I feel for you OP. I started a thread a few months ago because I was angry about people denying the existence of white privilege. In response I got white people asking me why I didn't talk about male privilege and reminding me that it exists

Why don't we say we have a masculinity problem?

And there it is... I was wondering when someone would.

Dungeondragon15. I think you have completely misunderstood this thread!

I really haven't.

I agree but again I am not responsible for those comments just because they were made by people who were white.

Who has said you are responsible

Half my family are Asian and Muslim and the other half are White and Christian. I know NOBODY on the Muslim side through friends or family who has been radicalised or who has joined or supported Islamist terrorism. I appear white and throughout my life have heard a lot of very open racism and supremacism from White Irish, British and American people including members of my own family who know i’m mixed race. I have lost friendships with white people over this as they see no harm in what they’ve said or done. I’ve never experienced the opposite except for when a white female relative and I went to a curry house in Birmingham with no men, then I’ll admit we were treated in a derogatory way by both female and male Arabs and Pakistanis because we were unaccompanied females. One occasion as opposed to dozens of the opposite.

I know three alt right, neo nazis who were all radicalised via gaming and the dark net in the past 5 years. They are articulate, intelligent, single minded and very very dangerous. They are now marrying and starting families and their partners are similarly minded and they are breeding a new generation of little white supremacists. These people were once my friends. It’s terrifying.

On Mumsnet people have unashamedly admitted they plan to vote UKIP in the event of a GE, not caring one bit about the fact that they are linked so closely with the EDL and Tommy Robinson.

I only have a tiny number of Jewish friends now simply because everyone I used to know that was Jewish has upped sticks and gone, due to anti-semitism. People that have never even visited Israel in their lives actually leaving everything behind and settling there because that’s the only place they feel safe.

I’ve no doubt that the majority of people have no idea what’s going on or the fact that it’s a huge problem. It is though and it will come back to haunt everyone. Mind you, chances are people won’t care if it’s “just” Muslims, Asians, Africans that are affected. People seem to be quickly and horrifically forgetting about the holocaust and being quite fine with supporting an openly anti-Semitic opposition party.

One day kids will be studying this time period in their History lessons. Remember when you were a teenager and couldn’t figure out why the German people in Nazi times turned a blind eye to so much evil? Future teenagers will be wondering that about our generation too. We’ve ignored the lessons of the past.

I agree op so many double standards

Dungeondragon15 that whooshing sound is the point of this thread going over your head.

No one (not even the OP) is really asking you to apologise and explain. The OP is using the rhetoric usually used by Westerners against Muslims after a terror attack to highlight the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of these statements.

I agree OP, whenever there is a terrorist attack by Muslims other Muslims are called upon to condemn it. Muslim community leaders are interviewed in the press saying how awful it was and there is an expectation that Muslims who don’t very vocally condemn such attacks ( even if they do in private) are somehow complicit
Taking that view every white Australian of British descent who doesn’t loudly and publicly speak out against this awful attack obviously supports it.
During the IRA troubles it wasn’t “Catholic terrorists” and “Protestant terrorists”. Islam is a peaceful religion and anyone killing in its name is not a true Muslim. White supremacy (although not a religion) is inherently violent and dangerous

I take the OPs point about the reporting of right wing terrorist attacks & the reluctance for some media to call them terrorists.

However I presume your fairly young, have you heard of the troubles & the related anti-Irish sentiment?

White people killing others - mental health problems

As a person born in Derry, I dont remember anyone responsible for the IRA bombings being excused based on MH problems.

Perhaps I am wrong?

I grew up in England in the 80s and 90s. Certain shoes wouldn't serve my nana because of her northern Irish accent. She recieved alot of abuse, because of what other irish Catholics did.

I dont expect and apology from all English people. I dont blame all muslims for crimes committed by some muslims. I wont apologise for something a person does who happens the same colour skin as me does. I dont agree with them. I hate what they stand for. I dont support them....so no I wont apologise.

Yes the world has a racism problem. Of course it does. We all know it. Too many people hate people for whatever reason they feel they can justify it. It's not ok. Regardless of who is handing out the violence

Also, I haven't seen the horrendous attack in NZ referred to as a terrorist attack. Anywhere.

BBC newsround did. I haven't seen any of the adult BBC reports, I was hoping it had. become BBC policy to call all such attackers terrorists*, perhaps I was being naive

*calling them all unstable individuals instead would be fine too, It's the inconsistency that's the issue

YANBU, OP. Muslims are collectively held responsible for not weeding out terrorism in "their" community (as though there is one Muslim community) but white racist terrorists are "lone wolves" and victims of mental illness. My DB had a couple of schoolfriends who got into neo-Nazi ideology and were almost certainly involved in violence. Nobody ever considered my DB to be responsible for their behaviour or thought that he was anything other than a great guy, even though he just cooled the friendship a bit rather than reporting them or even calling them out.

I dont support them....so no I wont apologise.

You have entirely missed the point. OP is NOT asking anyone to apologise. She is showing how ridiculous it is for people to ask Muslims to apologise for terrorists that are nothing to do with them.

FFS people try harder, honestly. Maybe start by RTFT.

Who has said you are responsible

Anyone who has said "we" should do this or that as a result of the terrorism or bigoted comments. I get that OP is just saying that there is a double standard but actually there isn't.

Perhaps I am wrong?

I don’t think you’re wrong, but I do believe the attitude has changed towards what I described. Though, it is usually in American media that they try and fob off white shooters as mentally ill (or just ‘defending themselves’ against black, unarmed ‘assailants’).

Regardless, there seems to be a culture of trying to excuse the behaviour of a single white male shooter, even if they cause as much death and devestation as any other terror attack.