To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

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Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

This will be my final post on the matter.

The OP stated in the first post “I and every Muslim has been held responsible since 9/11 of every terrorist atrocity”

Now there’s been a few twists and turns on the thread, but my point is that as that is wrong, it is also wrong to place blame on anybody white simply because another white person colonised other countries or because another white person commited a terror act in the name of white supremacy. The only common denominator is white. And I don’t want to be associated with such evil racist acts.

I understand there is a legacy that comes with this. Yes white privilege unfortunately exists, but so does Male privilege, upper class privilege, attractive privilege etc. I do not directly or indirectly promote any of these. I strongly stand against racism. And do not wish to be linked with them simply because of the colour of my skin. I am not minimising the issue. But I am dissociating myself. As Muslims do when there is an extremist terror attack.

FGS1, you really do not get it. Dottie wrote a really good post and the best you could muster was ‘it’s not my fault’.

YANBU OP.

I live in an area with a high proportion of Muslim residents and I would absolutely agree that we have a massive problem with white supremacy.

I’d say for my area though it certainly pre-dates 9/11.

It’s abhorrent and terrifying that there is such a massive - and seemingly acceptable - rise in anti-Islamic sentiment.

Tibkerbell456, there is so much wrong with your post, I don’t know where to begin. I have never lived in Australia yet happen to have a better understanding of the inequalities than you. Your version of history is totally and utterly whitewashed

tinkerbell456
That is the one of the most shockingly ignorant posts I’ve ever read on here. Complete failure to understand your own history.

As of 3 March 2019, there were at least 270 documented frontier massacres over a period of 140 years starting in 1794, which was considered "a state-sanctioned and organised attempt to eradicate Aboriginal people" by the writers of a Guardian special report that draws on the University of Newcastle's research and map.[2] The first massacres were by British soldiers, police and settlers, and later by militia-style forces which included Aboriginal police under the command of white officers. The report lists a number of key points, including that the number of deaths of Aboriginal people in each conflict grew, while settler deaths decreased. The most common motive was reprisal for the killing of settlers, but many were for killing or theft of livestock or property. Of the attacks listed, the only time the colonial perpetrators were found guilty and punished was for the Myall Creek massacre in 1838. There are at least nine known cases of deliberate poisoning of flour, and deliberate efforts were made to cover up the atrocities.[5]

Taken from wiki

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

@Tinkerbell456
🤯 at your post- white privilege personified.

I suggest you read up on Pemulwy’s resistance movement to the enroachent of settlers on Aboriginal land. The Colonisers eventually tracked him down and chopped off his head in the end. The colonisers wiped out many Aboriginal Australians with the introduction of disease, and many more through hunting them like animals.

Oh and then there’s the stolen generations which weren’t that long ago...

I won’t apologise for acts I did not do, but I won’t deny they occurred or minimise them either.

Tinkerbell456, perhaps you feel that those massacres are from too far back. You speak of child abuse, here is another link for you showing how it was Australian (white) policy to forcibly take aboriginal children away from their families up to 1970 and some then sexually abused under white saviour’s care.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations

Tinkerbell I actually have no words.

And if a Muslim had said what that fucking Queensland senator had said, he’d be arrested.

The Secretary General of Amnesty International, Salil Shetty, has pondered why one of the world's richest countries cannot solve the problem of Aboriginal poverty and states that the inequity and injustice could be fixed if the will to do so existed.

Watch the John Pilger's documentary Utopia. He has said
"That Australian governments believe they can manipulate and discriminate against Aboriginal communities in a manner that has been described in the UN as 'permissively racist' is astonishing in the 21st century."

Aborigines have been affected by:
deaths in police custody,
mining companies who have failed to share the wealth they have acquired on their land
some faux or exaggerated allegations made by the media and government that there were pedophile rings, petrol warlords and sex slaves in their communities

"Aboriginal Australians in Australia are currently imprisoned at 10 times the rate that South Africa imprisoned black people..."

It’s a male violence problem and has ever been thus.

I think the first person to make this point was being ironic/clever, but I hereby charge you with being absolutely serious...

(Here's a tip that we can all apply to all categories of people: if more than 90% of members of the category do not exhibit the behaviour you have a problem with, the category is not a good descriptor of where the problem lies.)

Wow. So much outrage in such a little time. I am not suggesting for one moment that white “settlers” were blameless. Of course not! Not by any means. I just don’t know that there is much point in dwelling on the past. Acknowledge it, definitely. I am just saying that there is very good faiths efforts being made to address the legacy of the past, as there should be. There is no doubt that Aborigines in Oz were definitely treated as second class citizens as part of main stream attitudes until pretty recently. If my history lessons serve, Aborigines did not even have to vote until sometime in the 1960s . In their own country! If anything, more their country than anybody else’s. Unjust? Hell yes. Would be unthinkable now, as it should be. Anyone outraged by my comments about crime in remote communities should maybe look at crime figures and talk to a few people who have worked in such communities. Not suggesting that this is because Aborigines are all inherently violent rapey drunks! Of course not! It’s circumstance not criminality. Put people of any race, yes, including white people, in the same situation and over time, the same issues would, no doubt arise. Am I white and privileged? I definitely understand that I have a way more fortunate lifestyle than ¾ of people on the planet. Not because I am white and superior. I have had the good fortune to live in relatively wealthy countries that has afforded me the opportunity to live the way I do. Not fancy by first world standards but very comfortable and way more so than the majority of the world’s people.I am grateful for that, I really am. I’d like to see a world where everyone got to live their best live and thrived. Not just white folks.

Some in interesting posts about the role of men vs. women here.

White supremacy is not just a male problem. I'm not denying male violence and the patriarchy here, but white women have always played a crucial role in maintaining white supremacy, whether by actively participating in institutions like slavery, policing spaces, raising children to internalise racist bias (consciously or unconsciously), being involved in the dialogue, writing, campaigning which maintains racist structures, voting for racist politicians, the list goes on. Unfortunately however I notice a tendency for some white women, including on this thread, to try and deny the role of women in white supremacy, both historically and today.

Tinkerbell you make a lot of sense.

Wow. Thank you Michael. Was beginning to feel like some evil racist nut job. I don’t believe white people are intrinsically superior to any other race at all. To think so makes no sense.

Tinkerbell you make a lot of sense

Really?

Any bit in particular?

Apologies to the op by the way. I seem to have derailed your post a bit unintentionally.

Gosh Rufus. You must be such a virtuous and massively knowledgeable person it hurts. All hail!

Nope

Bit of a weird assumption for you to make there tinkerbell

I mean flattering and all

But a bit of a leap

I dont think your posts 'talk sense'

I am interested in which bits micheal does think make sense

I don't disagree with some of your points Tinkerbell but the problems in the aborigine community are not just of their own doing. They have been treated appallingly (and well) both in the past and currently.