To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

[GardenVariety]

Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

And by the way. The colonisers were largely a small group of upper class rich MEN.

A minority they may be (she says hopefully) but my god they shout the loudest and have been given a platform for their abhorrent views in the last few years.
It doesn't matter that they shout the loudest (I've acknowledged their volume), it matters that they're still a minority, which they are. And they have a platform because we have freedom of speech. And that's a good thing because it gets people aware that they exist so that they can be shouted down and shown up as what they are rather than grumbling under the surface and attracting support from those who don't know better or who misunderstand / are duped. Just because something is loud doesn't make it a majority view.

Fgs1

Since you haven’t read all posts, clearly, and aren’t capable of listening and understanding well, I’ll copy and paste an important piece you missed:

Taking responsibility for either directly contributing to a racist culture, or turning a blind eye to it, is very different from: you are to blame completely for a terrorist attack. That posters here can’t see that, is part of the problems we face in trying to turn this around.

Talking about how white supremacy is the foundation on which NZ was formed, is not a derailment. It’s the actual fucking topic. This is personal, you’re lucky it’s not for you. No, privileged.

The colonisers (upper class rich men) were also treating the British working class badly (aka my ancestors) in their own land. Therefore I’m certainly not apologising for their heinous acts in other countries as I had no involvement. Oh and British women were one of the first groups to strongly campaign against slavery and bring it to the public’s attention. Rather than the British Empire being a white thing, it’s a privileged white man thing. Most the public had no idea what was going on in the colonised countries and certainly had no say in the decision making.

Rather than the British Empire being a white thing, it’s a privileged white man thing That’s not true, my grandfather was a miner who came to NZ and benefitted from colonisation. He knew that himself. Plenty of poor Irish soldiers too. It’s a lie to say it was rich white men only that participated or benefited from colonisation.

That’s right, because obviously a Māori person pointing out racism and actions or inactions that enable racism, is the racist 😐

Fgs1 you need to rtft and take time to absorb it before reacting and getting defensive about things you haven’t even understood. I’m sick of explaining the same point over and over to people unwilling to listen and learn.

Just because something is loud doesn't make it a majority view.

Current world politics and current affairs sadly say different.

Fgs, Jessica isn’t making this personal and derailing the thread - this IS personal. It is her life. She and her family have been done a great injustice and you cannot bring yourself to acknowledge that wholeheartedly. You are part of the problem.

We had another poster earlier saying that muslims werent vocal enough about x, y, z. I didn’t see you putting her right. Instead you choose to tell Jessica that her legitimate grievances are too personal. You do not get to minimise someone’s suffering because you lack the empathy to relate to it.

There is amassuve issue with white supremacy and white indifference is just compounding the issue.

But as your ancestors did have a direct involvement then maybe you should be the one apologising if you’re British or Irish, your ancestors also did this. Who asked you to apologise? Ffs. Should I apologise to myself?? You’re ridiculous.

Like I stated my ancestors were being oppressed in Britain. So no they didn’t have an involvement.

I absolutely agree with you. I am from Christchurch. Extremism of any kind is bad. Politicians are exploiting extremism for votes. My hear goes out💐 to all my Muslim friends on Mumsnet. There are no words for this horror.

White indifference? Hmm okay I thought the point of this thread was that Muslim indifference regarding attacks wasn’t wrong because not all Muslims should have to apologise and I agree- they shouldn’t.

And therefore I don’t feel the need to apologise for acts of privileged white men thousands of years ago or for some evil supremacists. Get your story straight

And by the way I do strongly condemn terrorist attacks of any nature. But I don’t feel responsible for them.

Look, there is only so much racism and denial of it at all that I can read, I contributed more than I intended to, to answer genuine questions and help those wanting to learn. GardenVariety please feel free to have this conversation privately anytime and if anyone else is interested in learning Māori or wants book recommendations, PM me. All I wanted to make clear, is NZ isn’t the ‘tolerant peaceful’ place it’s being painted out to be, this didn’t happen from nothing. Honest conversations need to happen.

My thoughts are with the Muslim community in Christchurch you are my brothers & sisters and I wish you nothing but peace. Let’s hope one day future generations actually have that.

Nobody asked you to apologise!

The fact that Jessica has been so roundly attacked on this thread, by white people, and have somehow managed to deflect so spectacularly from the issue at hand is fucking evidence that white supremacy is a problem!

White people telling people they're wrong about their own fucking culture is appalling.

Yet it's allowed to stand?

nobody said she’s wrong about her own culture. I’m just giving my opinion regarding colonisation and stating not all white peoples ancestors had a direct involvement in its wrongdoings

The fact that Jessica has been so roundly attacked on this thread, by white people, and have somehow managed to deflect so spectacularly from the issue at hand is fucking evidence that white supremacy is a problem!

The issue being discussed is whether white people are "held accountable" for the actions of other white people in the way that Muslims seem to be sometimes for the actions of extremists. I think that is exactly what Jessica is doing. I have nothing to do with the culture in NZ but for some reason because I am white Jessica and some others seem to think I "should take responsibility for contributing to a racist culture."

Fgs1, you are wrong again. You HAVE minimised Jessica’s suffering, her family’s suffering. You were too busy absolving yourself from any responsibility so you and many others victim blamed. It is typical behaviour demonstrated by the ignorant.

Thank you so much Jessica for your contribution to this thread. I have learnt so much from you. It gets so tedious repeating yourself and explaining over and over again. I understand why you don’t want to repeat yourself anymore. I completely agree with every point you made. I hope you see change and some progress towards justice and equality in your lifetime.

I shall say it again: There is a massive issue with white supremacy and white indifference is just compounding the issue.

Whatever

The issue being discussed is whether white people are "held accountable" for the actions of other white people in the way that Muslims seem to be sometimes for the actions of extremists

No the issue being discussed was whether the world had a problem with white supremacy.

The derail was a load of people whitesplaining to Jessica about her own culture. Your denial of that either means you haven't RTFT or that you're dismissing it.

I shall say it again: There is a massive issue with white supremacy and white indifference is just compounding the issue.

Well fwiw this white woman agrees with you.