To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

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Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

LondonUK yeah, I tend to get angry at racism. Seriously, bore off

I also have a son & encourage him to cry & talk about any issues, he’s 5 so we are talking about “I can’t find my orange pen” issues 😁.

Jessica, and your language says it all about you.

I would say Good day to you but really you are not worth it. I would not dare dream how are you an asset to your environment, with this vocabulary.

Considering the wars fought both between Māori tribes and against other indigenous peoples, would you also support that land being returned to its former-former owners (or to even more historic owners if it had been acquired by violence). If not, why not?

Oh here comes someone with a whitewashed version of history! I knew it would happen. The lie that moriori were a different race and were eradicated, has been long debunked by historians- I mean before I was even born. So your racist lies are a bit old mate. Moriori are a Māori iwi who are included in the treaty of waitangi, and who still exist.

Are you kiwi? Only I’m amazed a kiwi would have the audacity to repeat such a well proven falsehood- other than Don Brash of course.

I also have a son & encourage him to cry & talk about any issues, he’s 5 so we are talking about “I can’t find my orange pen” issues

yeah....been there!

The lie that moriori were a different race and were eradicated

I wasn't claiming that, only that battles have been fought by the Māori over land and, depending on where the land in question is, it's highly likely that it changed hands through bloodshed more than once.

To answer the OP first

Yes i think the world has a big white supremacy problem

I went straight to the last page before answering and the thread seems to have taken a turn i wasn't expecting so i will read it in more detail

I wasn't claiming that, only that battles have been fought by the Māori over land and, depending on where the land in question is, it's highly likely that it changed hands through bloodshed more than once.

And yet there are currently no land disputes between different iwi. Almost like it’s been resolved and you’re bringing it up as a gotcha moment- you guys fought amongst yourselves first!

I agree with you OP. X

and against other indigenous peoples what indigenous peoples? Māori are indigenous to NZ.

Most iwi want a say in things, rather than a direct land return.

what indigenous peoples

Moriori, though I take it from your earlier messages that you don't regard them as a distinct indigenous people?

Haven't read the whole thread but surely it's a case that there are offensive people of all types, races, sexes, ages, etc. and they like to make themselves heard hence it seems a bigger people. In reality most people are generally fairly accepting of others. Granted certain areas of America have a larger share of white folk who don't like anyone of a different race or sexuality, but I figure that's because they attract all the weirdos from other states who congregate together in one place (and maybe a bit of inbreeding too!). I don't think the UK is a hotbed of white supremacy. It just has a minority of gobby tosspots.

Gronky

It’s not about how I ‘regard them’, the moriori are Māori and therefore indigenous, included in the treaty as such. So I was right the first time then? Where are you getting your information? Are you kiwi?

I also have a son & encourage him to cry & talk about any issues, he’s 5 so we are talking about “I can’t find my orange pen” issues 😁. Children can be taught about diversity and inclusion from a very young age, using non-racist, pro-inclusive story books, reading books and watching movies with positive BAME characters and so on...If you Google teaching anti-racism to children then there are loads of recommendations, blogs, websites, educational resources starting from age 3 upwards, and so on...

JessicaWakefieldSVH, you seem determined to disagree over minutiae so I'll leave you to it.

you seem determined to disagree over minutiae No, it’s important actually and you said something that was factually incorrect- and not answering my questions & bowing out instead of accepting my correction, shows why you said it in the first place. Moriori should not be used in this way, they’re Māori and indigenous.

I don't think the UK is a hotbed of white supremacy. It just has a minority of gobby tosspots. Well what a relief, guess we should pass that on, then maybe the growing threat of white supremacist terrorism wouldn't have had to be kicked upstairs from the police to MI5 last year, when a number of major plots were uncovered! Sick to death of this 'I don't see it, it hasn't affected me, so it doesn't exist' shit on here, exactly what men have been saying about misogyny for years and were saying before Me Too!!

Good tips Dottierichardson, although due to family/friends/location his life is pretty diverse & inclusive which is fantastic.

LondonUK, you are very much mistaken. I am not angry, just disgusted.

Your view on this thread title of white supremacists being inflammatory is very telling.

Jessica has been very patiently explaining the ordeal her family has been through and continue to go through at the hands of white supremacists and some fragile white egos on this thread cannot handle the truth.

I don't think the UK is a hotbed of white supremacy. It just has a minority of gobby tosspots

Seriously? A minority they may be (she says hopefully) but my god they shout the loudest and have been given a platform for their abhorrent views in the last few years.

You honestly haven't noticed the rise in far right politics and attitudes in the mainstream recently?

I'm gobsmacked, genuinely.

Well said DottieRichardson.

The reaction in media and on social media, indeed in the stadiums, when the All Blacks come over and do the haka as they have since before anthems, is pretty outright racist and disgusting. An award winning uk sports journo referred to us as ‘ uncivilised monkeys’ just a few years ago. Last year wales online took a poll, is the haka just a bit of harmless theatre, or is it time for it to go? I had someone I thought a good friend, launch into a foul racist tirade on my FB when I was still on it ( 2015 Rugby WC ) about how Māori don’t really exist anymore, why should Brits have to be subjected to the haka, and more besides. My family and friends had to read it. BBC 2017 before an AB game did a piece on how they were ‘violent’ last time they came ( no punches or anything like it thrown unlike Dylan Hartley ) and every time they said the word ‘violent’ an image of a Māori person was shown. So it’s not like there isn’t racism directed at Māori from this part of the world. I dread the northern tours because it always always comes up.

Just as Muslims don’t and shouldn’t be expected to apologise for acts of extremists acting today. British people don’t and shouldn’t be expected to apologise for the specific acts of colonisers hundreds of years ago in another country. We do learn about the British Empire in school and mainly about its negative impacts. It feels like we are constantly having to apologise for acts we had no part in. Jessica you are making this far too personal in terms of your grandmothers land or what not and it is derailing the actual debate.

@londonuk primitive? You realise just because cultures didn’t have guns that doesn’t make them primitive? Britain gathered knowledge from all of the countries we colonised, the colonised countries were often not primitive we just used forced.
Herein lies the issue that the OP is also pointing out. White westerners have a completely skewed history, and have no need nor want in many cases to find out the truth.
It’s not just Muslims who are asked to explain terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists but anyone who is not white.