To think the world has a big white supremacy problem?

[GardenVariety]

Is anyone actually surprised that this has happened? It is shocking and sickening, but let’s face it, it has been so acceptable for so long to vilify muslims, to abuse muslims, to attack muslims - politicians have made careers out of this. Is it any wonder that yet another white supremacist has murdered muslims and has received praise for doing so by keyboard warriors on various platforms.

I (and most muslims in the West) have been dealing with the aftermath of 9/11 by being held responsible for every terrorist atrocity. Dealing with knee-jerk reactions and responses became the norm for me since then. Every terror attack, grooming ring, extremist preacher became my responsibility to explain, condemn and apologise for. I was asked why muslims don’t put double-page ads in the paper to apologise and condemn. I was told that I shouldn’t be surprised at the hostility towards muslims because the few give everyone a bad name.

So here I am, wondering if those people (all white) who were quick to vilify my religion and me and demanded an apology and explanation for the latest newspaper headline will now explain today’s headlines to me. Will they explain why white people do this? Will they give me a full breakdown of his manifesto, explain each name listed on the white terrorist’s guns, explain the choice of music on the video, explain why he filmed it, explain why he had so much support (white terrorist supported by other whites, therefore all whites must be terrorists) and take out ads in national papers apologising for being white. After all it was a white person who did this and just like all muslims were held accountable, will all whites be held accountable too?

Oh the white fragility on display on this thread is quite something.

White British are directly responsible for the oppression faced by indigenous in NZ, Australia, USA.

The empire was built on the bodies of non-whites, because of the looting, pillaging, murdering that was committed across the globe. It was white supremacy in action. We are still seeing white supremacy in action today.

will be much better if she will educate people from her background who come here and might not integrate
You hear that gardenvariety? Do your job. Integrated, peaceful Muslims face constant islamaphobia from the hateful or uniformed. On top of this, they face institutional racism and islamaphobia.

More and more, I feel like many people are now barely containing their sexism, racism, islamaphobia, anti-Semitism, etc. Some of them aren't even aware of it, especially if it's at a micro level... Like some of the posters on this thread.

This may be going off topic but I definitely think this is also a male problem

You’re not wrong. NZ has the highest rate of DV in the developed world and the general public have a certain level of tolerance to it- especially if they play rugby. There is a high number of terrorists with a history of DV. Yes I know women commit DV too, but lower rates and less violent, murders by females are rarer there.
Personally, I think much of it is to do with the socialisation of men to suppress emotions other than anger. So even when hurt, sad, lonely, frustrated, grieving... often the only emotion they feel they can display is anger.

The empire was built on the bodies of non-whites, because of the looting, pillaging, murdering that was committed across the globe.

What specifically distinguishes this from all the looting, pillaging and murdering that was committed prior to their arrival? It's been taking place since one proto-human decided they liked the cave of another proto-human. Some of my ancestors are Spanish but I don't hold the Saudis liable for their conquest of the Iberian peninsula and the presumed loss of family members and wealth which occurred under the harsh rule of the Umayyad Caliphate.

I mean, most terrorist attacks of recent years have been carried out in the name of Islam...

ou are tiresome, and just don’t want to listen or learn. So I’m not expending energy on you. That you compare a religion to white supremacy in a colonised land, just shows your inability to understand. That’s on you, not me.

I'm finding you tiresome too. I'm not comparing "religion to white supremacy in a colonised land". I am stating that I am not responsible for the culture in NZ just because I am white. If you think I am then you are no better than those who think that all muslims are accountable for the actions of muslim extremists.

I think history should be used less as a blame game, mea culpa etc and more as how we can learn from it. What made people arrogant enough, violent enough to invade other lands for example

So Male socialisation is a huge part, so is inequality.

Is identity part of that? My ideniity /tribe /country is of course the best identity /tribe/country

So in a way if pride in your own heritage is bigger than anything, it will promote the attitudes that lead to such hideous behaviours

So we should all get together over a nice cup of tea and share photos and build an identity that is bigger and more human . Where we all see our similarities

Sorry not sure my sarcasm came across in previous message.

This may be going off topic but I definitely think this is also a male problem

Not off topic at all. As I said upthread, very few mass murders (stop calling them terrorist attacks, these people do NOT have a cause, they are just murdering arseholes) are perpetrated by women. I don't care whether these people are white, Muslim, anything else. In nearly all cases the unifying feature is being male. MALE VIOLENCE is the problem.

TheDarkLady, that’s me told then!

If only we would integrate better, then the racists would be less racist.

If only women would remove their scarves, then the white supremacists wouldn’t have to pull them off.

If only black women would wear their hair straight and integrate

If only the indigenous people would not forget their culture and just integrate in their land with the invading white supremacists.

White supremacy is a disease that is extremely virulent.

Taking responsibility for either directly contributing to a racist culture, or turning a blind eye to it, is very different from: you are to blame completely for a terrorist attack. That posters here can’t see that, is part of the problems we face in trying to turn this around.

JessicaWakefieldSVH who said your history, was ancient history.

I said I am interested in the accusation of 'your ancestors' as a debating point.

You are seeing offence where there is non.

The point about 'othering' , is fact. Persians marched into Egypt and banned their religion and customs hundreds of years ago, and did the same across Greece.

This is my point. Every group of people have 'othered' another group at some point. It is not a modern concept or a modern problem.

So in a way if pride in your own heritage is bigger than anything, it will promote the attitudes that lead to such hideous behaviours

I don’t agree with that. I understand why people are proud of their own cultures, I like seeing the passion. Differences don’t have to divide, they can unite- but I think on that point you and I are saying the same thing

If only the indigenous people would not forget their culture and just integrate in their land with the invading white supremacists.

Oh I know, it’s really our fault for not integrating with our colonisers better. I should really shut up about my Nans land and let others have it. Forget my language. Naughty me.

Taking responsibility for either directly contributing to a racist culture, or turning a blind eye to it, is very different from: you are to blame completely for a terrorist attack. That posters here can’t see that, is part of the problems we face in trying to turn this around.

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This!

Any kiwis on this thread, you can do a basic Māori language course online for free! If anyone wants details, let me know!

Personally, I think much of it is to do with the socialisation of men to suppress emotions other than anger Indeed, I also feel that for some men fault or blame doesn’t lie with their actions but the blame is shifted to others & hence the need to hurt “them”. I don’t know how we stop it.

fancynancyclancy very true... I think a good start, is not forcing gender stereotypes, allowing men to display the full range of emotions and teaching them as boys how important that is. Also to take responsibility for their actions, without acting out against others.

I think a good start, is not forcing gender stereotypes, allowing men to display the full range of emotions and teaching them as boys how important that is. Also to take responsibility for their actions, without acting out against others.

This is very true. Something I have fought against for my own son. I have been told many times, that i should tell my son to man up. That person usually gets their arses handed to them.

He is 8 now and very calm. He understands that it's ok to feel whatever he is feeling but acting it out on others isnt ok. Anger is something I very rarely see in him.

My ancestors were under almost 600 yeas of slavery under the Ottoman empire
Former Yougoslavia?
I do lots of charity work
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and noticed some people take lots of both arms thinking 'how clever am I' yet they give absolutely nothing in return but anger
Muslims? Dark people?

I should really shut up about my Nans land and let others have it.

Considering the wars fought both between Māori tribes and against other indigenous peoples, would you also support that land being returned to its former-former owners (or to even more historic owners if it had been acquired by violence). If not, why not?