To ask if you would support a second referendum and what would you vote?

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As the title says really, along with whether or not your vote would be different from last time.

In my US state we've voted on certain things multiple times.

Gay marriage for example. It was rejected the first time, but accepted the second, and it then became legal.

People evolve (thankfully).

Honestly I cannot?

I think if we put No-Deal on the ballot a No-Deal will be returned, I think if No-Deal is left off the ballot then I think you have an easy avenue for the BNP to take seats at the next general election by saying that the vote silenced the majority and they will give the a voice.

Best case scenario now is the politicians do their fucking jobs.

Unless the turnout is as high as last time I don't see what legitimacy a 2nd Referendum would have.

Even if Remain won by 60% if it polled less than 17.4 m it would still have Lost - this actually seems quite a plausible outcome as so many people are so scunnered by the whole thing.

If the proposal of Remain vs WA was the question then the above is even more likely.

Which is what?

Yy to TM continuously putting her deal to the house. It’s so unfair.
2nd referendum please.

I am not ignoring it. And I agree with your concerns. If it happens and our country is not given a veto, that's when you have the referendum and leave the EU

Thanks for your reply spider

But we currently have a veto and so do Ireland, the problem is that it can be replaced with QMV. We were told this was a once in a generation referendum on 'in' or 'out' not we can run another one if something doesn't go our way (there's a theme there 😉). If we remain now and subsequently lose our sovereignty on tax I would be mightily pissed off and there would be nothing we could do about it. Hell would now have to freeze over before they let us have another in/out Ref. It was a big reason why I chose to leave now and not take the 'wait and see' approach..

I think you have an easy avenue for the BNP to take seats at the next general election by saying that the vote silenced the majority and they will give the a voice.

I don’t think anything could convince the British Public to vote in the BNP because they are actual proper card carrying fascists in everybody’s book (rather than just the left wing who call anyone to the right of Neil Kinnock a fascist these days) and only a tiny, tiny minority have ever flirted with real fascism in this country.

I also think UKIP will not win votes because, as someone said earlier, they have been cosying up to the EDL and Tommy Robinson and have some truly weird ideas about Islam.

Nigel Farage is talking about a single issue ‘Brexit’ Party and I think that may be the one to watch because it will be pro-Brexit, anti-3 main parties and conservative.

Is that for me "Nordic*? For me, I'd like them to find a solution that doesn't involve a referendum and doesn't devolve accountability to the public on matters that are this complicated.

27% of voters in a Sky poll earlier this year thought that
No Deal
meant staying in the EU

Never ask simple people simple questions
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I hope you are right. My DH is a non-eu immigrant so I have skin in the game and I'd like to think that we are above all that kind of nonsense. But you can see how the extreme right might slip in slowly with a Trojan horse of how people were robbed of their vote and shouts of anti-democracy. Anyway, hopefully you are right and I'm worrying for nothing.

27% of voters in a Sky poll earlier this year thought that
No Deal
meant staying in the EU

Dear god. This what we are dealing with. A much bigger number than the ‘majority’ won by the leavers in the last election.

I’ve heard people actually say this too.

I’m not 100% certain if I support another referendum for these reasons. I would vote remain again if there was one.

Well they already did after lying so it is necessary to deal with the situation as it is.

27% of voters in a Sky poll earlier this year thought that No Deal meant staying in the EU

It gets worse. I'm embarrassed to say my mum thought Pakistan was in the EU and voting out meant no more muslims here.

KenDodd
my mum thought Pakistan was in the EU and voting out meant no more muslims here.
Classic

@KennDodd thank you for your honesty.

Both Trump and Putin are against a 2nd ref - doesn't that tell you something? That maybe it IS in the UK's best interests to do it.
Trump's America First is exactly what it says on the tin: the US first, not the UK. As for Putin... our best friend, that's for sure.
The EU is the only partner, the only bloc where we have an equal voice (and in fact quite a powerful voice). We are being collectively gaslighted into believing otherwise. Don't listen to the Pied Pipers.

It is in my view very, very dangerous to take away the equal right for everyone to vote. Once you start talking about people being "too thick" its the start of a very slippery slope away from democracy.

it also unpleasantly smacks of the "intelligent, educated people voted remain, oiks with no education voted leave" Not sure how this view is really any nastier than some of the crap spouted by UKIP during the campaign.

No I wouldn't support it. I don't see the need for one. Either extend the A50 process and agree a sensible deal without May's red lines, or just revoke and get on with life.

I think we need a best of three. Have a second, delay leaving to then have a third in another two years. Winner takes all.

I'd support a second referendum. I don't see why people think that this would be any less democratic than the previous one (or indeed the one before that). Those people who wanted to express their views, whether to leave or to stay, are just as free to do so again.

I'm not convinced that the outcome would be very different, but it would be a truer snapshot of what the public actually wants nearly three years into the process.

myimaginarycat did you vote remain the first time by any chance?

chillpizza we could go the whole hog and each side - remain and leave - nominate a champion and they slug it out to the death and whoever wins, wins.

or we could just keep having vote after vote after vote because, well it doesn't matter that we are using all of our time and energy on this one question rather than dealing with the other problems in our society does it!!

I'm a remainer but don't support a second referendum, that would require a government who knew how to organise one that didn't lead to further chaos, uncertainty and divisions and we clearly don't have that.

I would support a second referendum and would vote remain like I did first time. I’d like this whole nonsense to be done with.

bloggersnet the opposition aren't exactly covering themselves in glory either.

woeful displays of mismanagement by politicians all around. I suggested it on another thread and think that we should sack every single sitting MP and the speaker and say that we want only people who have never served to stand for election. Might get a better bunch that way.

Yes. Remain again. The first advisory ref was based on lies and influenced by Banski and Co. Also that significant a decision needs to have a bigger proportion of supporting votes. Only 37% of voting population actually voted for Leave.