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To ask if you would support a second referendum and what would you vote?

350 replies

questabellatreetop · 13/03/2019 23:03

As the title says really, along with whether or not your vote would be different from last time.

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Lovingbenidorm · 13/03/2019 23:27

Surely a second referendum would swing remain?
Not many remainders have changed their mind
Several leavers have
All the young voters who were too young to vote the first time and have been campaigning................

questabellatreetop · 13/03/2019 23:30

@leccybill
Yes, and remain again.
Hardly a representative sample here though!

Clearly, if I was doing a sample study I would have posted the same question on a variety of forums with different target audiences to ensure the results were valid. As it happens I'm not.

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Weetabixandshreddies · 13/03/2019 23:30

Democracy is not a snapshot moment in time, it evolves with circumstances and demographics.

So do you advocate for an in/out referendum every 3 years then to account for evolving circumstances or demographics?

maddening · 13/03/2019 23:30

I think the only way to have a vote and appease the "split the leave vote" argument is to have a 2 or 3 tier vote - eg

Vote q 1 leave or remain

Vote q 2 hypothetical if leave wins vote - a) no deal, b) original deal or c) customs union

Vote q 3 - if no majority of at least 10% either way re-vote in a) 2 Yr, b) 5 yr c) 10yr

LellyMcKelly · 13/03/2019 23:31

Remain and remain again.

Froglette16 · 13/03/2019 23:33

Remain, but I agree with livii, it makes a joke of democracy if we have another vote. However, the people I know who voted leave feel sad that they believed the hype at the time, so they'd probably change from leave to remain. There were lies that many people believed, so if THEY want another vote, I'm all for it.

maddening · 13/03/2019 23:35

Like you said - if it had been a legally binding referendum then we would be remaining and possibly looking at further referendums - as the slim majority would not have actually been enough.

I was under the impression that as it was actually a advisory vote only then the government would not have triggered over such a slim majority - it is disgraceful that this has happened when there was not a substantial majority wishing to leave.

ilovesooty · 13/03/2019 23:38

If there were a second referendum I'd vote remain again but I am still angry that the toad Cameron instigated one in the first place.

I want parliament to revoke Article 50.

MollysMummy2010 · 13/03/2019 23:44

I voted to leave but would now vote to remain.
Seeing the implications at work I was like a turkey voting for Christmas. This is not what I wanted to happen.

scaryteacher · 14/03/2019 00:44

I would not support a second referendum.

I voted Leave last time and would vote Leave again.

CheerioHunter · 14/03/2019 00:51

^I would not support a second referendum.

I voted Leave last time and would vote Leave again.^

Same

Penguincake · 14/03/2019 00:52

Leave then and leave now. I am sure when leave won again remain voters would demand a third referendum.

Ribbonsonabox · 14/03/2019 00:55

I'm so confused... I'd be happy if there was another referendum but I dont know if I could say 'I support it' as I do worry what that would then mean for the country in the next general elections etc..
I'd vot remain again in a second referendum. I think the EU have done far more good things for us than they have done bad and I think it's a structure to work with so that we can help shape the direction it goes in. I dont understand how people think we can exist cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world. I want us to work together with other countries... and I think the EU have at times protected us from our own government even.

CheerioHunter · 14/03/2019 00:55

I think should there be a second ref, it'd be a very skewed choice.

EG.
Should we leave under the proposed shit BRINO deal.
or
Remain.

Rockbird · 14/03/2019 00:56

Yes and remain again. If we'd had even the slightest idea of what we were doing then I might have put up and shut up but this is a total utter shitstorm. If you were reading it in a book you'd laugh. And we're doing it to ourselves...

Ribbonsonabox · 14/03/2019 00:58

And I agree that what is most horrific is that the government even held the referendum in the first place without an actual plan around what leaving would entail!

OccasionalKite · 14/03/2019 01:01

It's been over two years now, and fuck-all has been sorted.

Is the future of the UK now going to be sorted beneficially for us over the course of the next 10 days? I find this highly unlikely.

Don't know about another referendum. We now know that the 2016 job was fuelled by lies and myths and delusions.

Maybe our rulers could just be honest with us and acknowledge that Brexit is impossible. Because Brexit is impossible. As we all knew in the first place.

And David Cameron deserves a special place in hell for this.

LimeKiwi · 14/03/2019 01:25

No. I wouldn't support it. I voted Remain too. If there's another referendum I'm not voting again.
What's the point? If they're not going to listen anyway.
"Vote again, until we get the RIGHT answer!"
How long do you play that game?

AnyWalls · 14/03/2019 01:30

I would support a second referendum. I would vote the same again.

Hiphopopotamus · 14/03/2019 01:37

Oh FFS. It’s not core until we get the right choice, or destroying bloody democracy. It’s saying that

  1. People were lied to in the first referendum and voted based on lies
  2. Many didn’t know what leaving would actually entail
  3. We all have far more information now on the type of deal we are likely to get if any, and can make a new informed choice
  4. Democracy does not mean that one slim result which would not have been carried out if the referendum had been a legal binding one, does not mean that the government should take us down a path that has now been shown to be categorically devastating for our country, our economy and the most vulnerable in our society. That’s not democracy.
sleepalldays · 14/03/2019 01:54

Yes, I would vote this time (was 18 and knew nothing about politics at the first referendum!) remain obviously!! I kick myself for not voting nowAngry

WTFIsAGleepglorp · 14/03/2019 02:00

I would vote again. Remain.

However, I live in Brexit country so that's just pointless.

Over a quarter of the entire electorate didn't vote last time.

That lot need to shift their arses if there's a second referendum.

lovelyupnorth · 14/03/2019 02:04

One question if it’s I democratic to have a second referendum cause we’ve already decided. Should may be allowed to present the shit deal for a 3rd time?

Remain and remain. Again

Also believe cameron, Johnson, grove, Rees-Mogg etc should all be forced to keep their money on shore and to pay for the shit storm that’s coming.

The whole thing was an incredibly stupid idea from the start and far more about Torres staying in power than about the country. Not that I’d want the Corbin shitshow in power either.

lovelyupnorth · 14/03/2019 02:05

Should have been un-democratic at the start

TheNumberfaker · 14/03/2019 02:17

Remain and remain.

As others have said, the 2016 referendum was advisory. It therefore had no minimum threshold or process for voiding the result in case of unlawful campaign/voting activity.

It was a very narrow win for Leave, nothing like the 2/3 supermajority that most mature democracies require for such a massive change to their constitution.
The Electoral Commission has found that there was unlawful campaign activity - the Leave campaign funnelled 10% of their approved spend via another campaign group. They broke the law. However, because the referendum was advisory, it cannot be voided. It is a loophole. Watch this link www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/brexit-referendum-corruptly-won-but-result-stands/

I do not respect the 2016 referendum result at all - it was advisory only, plagued with unlawful campaign activity and just full of lies and vague notions of having your cake and eating, on top of the big red NHS bus lie.

Even if the 2016 had been binding and fought in a clean and lawful way, I still don’t think that having a referendum now, based on better informed choice of the WA and PD versus Remain would be undemocratic. It is a different question. 2016 was vague, 2019 would be detailed.

I additionally reject any notion that the 2016 referendum has been ignored. Unless I’ve dreamt the last 2.5 years, the government has invoked Article 50 and spent nearly 2 years negotiating the WA with the EU27. That would not have happened if the result had been the other way round.
Oh and as David Allen Green says, 'A mandate can be either democratic or irreversible. But it cannot be both.'

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