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How can anyone have an ounce of respect for Corbyn

249 replies

Sol44 · 13/03/2019 10:51

The man is a snake. We all know he’s a Brexiteer, so why not just come out and say it? This man has no principles - he’s purely concerned with getting into No 10 and there is no low he won’t sink to in order to get there. He’s spent years heckling from the sidelines, but it’s all smoke and mirrors to detract from the fact that he has nothing of any substance to offer on any area of policy-making, let alone the Brexit shambles. The man is an utter joke.

Surely his days are numbered now, as are TM’s and the all the other Brexiteers who put their careers in front of their principles?

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noblegiraffe · 13/03/2019 20:38

Perfectly happy to slag off Theresa May too.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 20:39

Vested interests are probably 1 of the main reasons waffly in my opinion

Mistlewoeandwhine · 13/03/2019 20:39

Wafflyversatile - totally agree. I can only assume that they all think they’ll be fine with having to get private healthcare, not to ever needing to worry about their kids going hungry etc. So much arrogant privilege.

dadshere · 13/03/2019 20:41

Seahorses, I did search, quite extensively. I found Mo Mowlem's little tirade about Adams being invited to discuss his book, but nothing at all along the lines of what you claimed, perhaps because it doesn't exist? Once again, another baseless, factless, empty attempt to smear one of the only honest poiticians in this country.

dadshere · 13/03/2019 20:42

Also very telling that the op has never posted before and her/his first post is tonight all about Corbyn. Almost as if it was a planned Astroturf smear. Again.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 13/03/2019 20:52

Well it is there dadshere. I've found information about it and so have other people. It's even mentioned in books. I don't feel the need to link to anything as you're only asking because you disagree, not through any good faith - I only bothered for the other poster because I quite respect her after nodding along with a lot of what she's said on here. I did notice your sexist language about one of the most respected politicians of the last century. How very Corbynite brocialist.

(Corbyn honest Grin Grin Grin It'd be more noteworthy if he told the truth sometimes)

tilder · 13/03/2019 21:05

Cheers noblegiraffe on from the sidelines.

Adds that, imho, the current Brexit situation is a disaster for all but the independently wealthy.

I blame tribal politics, all of them for putting party before country. Whatever party they belong too.

Cameron, worst pm ever. May, unachievable goals. Corbyn, self interest in red utopia. Plus the cabinet and the rest of the spineless lot who refuse to compromise or negotiate outside their immediate sphere. They are all culpable.

HauntedPencil · 13/03/2019 21:08

How anyone can have faith in him given the utter mess they've made of running the opposition is beyond me.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 21:13

Hauntedpencil what do you feel they should have done differently in your opinion?

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2019 21:21

Given that Yvette Cooper saved the bloody day today, Corbyn should have stood down when he was overwhelmingly no-confidenced by his MPs and they should have elected her instead.

HauntedPencil · 13/03/2019 21:26

Well a few things really. Not alienated the Jewish community to the extent that they are possibly being investigated

Maybe they could have put their money where their mouths are and actually given their staff an at least inflationary payrise

Followed up with their commitment to giving more democracy by actually coherently supporting a people's vote

A previous poster has mentioned the brainwave of sending the poison on over to Putin and he could have a butchers and let us know if it was them or not.

I'm not actually running the opposition though so it isn't my job. Though I could probably think of more.

I didn't think the 2017 manifesto was all that to be honest, though in the absence of any other viable option at the time I did vote for them

Although the people that have been ranting for the past few years telling everyone to fuck off and vote for the Tories should hardly be surprised if people do that.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 21:27

At the time YC policies were still in the vein of ‘were not as bad as the tories’ that wasn’t going to be enough at the time people had had enough of the Tory lite ideas, now that the Overton window has shifted then maybe but unfortunately everything is getting viewed through the Brexit prism nd until that dominates parliament less there’s no way of knowing who might be able to stand out on policy

HauntedPencil · 13/03/2019 21:30

I think they misjudged the mood didn't they.

I think YC would be a far far better option though.

tilder · 13/03/2019 21:31

The Brexit prism will dominate politics for years.

SausageAndEgg · 13/03/2019 21:38

Tories and right wing led media are TERRIFIED of Corbyn getting into power and that should tell you enough.

The very fact you’ve said he has no principles is because the media are peddling this HARD right now. Why? Because he is very principled and they’re just trying to undo him.

Sometimes I wonder how people can be so easily misled, sometimes I’m impressed at the mass brainwashing

SuziQ10 · 13/03/2019 21:38

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Bumbalaya · 13/03/2019 21:43

Because he's a man of integrity and he's the only attractive meme we of parliament going!

Bumbalaya · 13/03/2019 21:43

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HauntedPencil · 13/03/2019 21:44

It's patronising to assume the OP has been brainwashed by the right wing media.

Also, comments like that do sound very cult like.

Every criticism is not a conspiracy theory or smear.

Fiveredbricks · 13/03/2019 21:52

My only hope is that he's using Momentum to litterally power his machine and the moment he gets in power he will weed them out of Labour. Horrible disgusting, cult like little cretins.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 22:06

Well damn you haunted I was relaxing on the couch mumsnetting on my phone and I was buggered if I was going to do this next post on a pissy iphone screen Grin

Well a few things really. Not alienated the Jewish community to the extent that they are possibly being investigated

Do I believe the members who feel they have been subjected to anti-semitic abuse? Yes absolutely

The point though is how Labour have handled it, I think this stems back from when there was the argument about about adopting the IHRA definition of anti-semitism, a lot of the critics including Jewish critics of the IHRA definition is that it classes any criticism of the Israely state government as anti-semitic and so restricts the ability of those who want to stand up for the palestinian people. There have been a few articles on this keep in mind that these are opinion pieces that I can think of off hand but I do tend to give weight to well researched pieces opinion or not because at the end of the day a lot of the anti Corbyn articles are no more than editorial bias/agenda and political commentators provide nothing more than opinion pieces with perhaps a bit more gravitas

www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/labour-and-anti-semitism-2018-truth-behind-relentless-smear-campaign-against-corbyn

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/search?q=antisemitism

Maybe they could have put their money where their mouths are and actually given their staff an at least inflationary payrise

I doubt that has anything to do with Corbyn personally, as in I doubt he has anything to do with payroll I'm sure thats either civil servants or the administrative side of the PLP

Followed up with their commitment to giving more democracy by actually coherently supporting a people's vote

He is albeit so fucking slowly but as was said in the commons tonight is he wants to see what will command a majority in the house whether that be his idea of a customs union, peoples vote or if the SNP get their way a revoke, if members dont feel he supported a peoples vote by the time of conference I doubt he will find it an easy time tbh

A previous poster has mentioned the brainwave of sending the poison on over to Putin and he could have a butchers and let us know if it was them or not.

Wasnt really a good idea was it, but if we look at Corbyns habit sometimes to his detriment clearly of dialoque rather than knee jerk reaction it makes sense, but I agree that was definitely a face palm moment

Although the people that have been ranting for the past few years telling everyone to fuck off and vote for the Tories should hardly be surprised if people do that.

Oh to be young and have that exuberence again lol, I've said it myself before now but I blame frustration, disgust or being on meds or a combination of all 3 but at times there has been a very us and them mentality but were seeing that replayed and demonstrated in a lot political endevours lately Brexit, Scottish ref and so on

I think they misjudged the mood didn't they.

At the time the PLP were still in their 'were not as bad as the tories' phase and you couldnt really fit a cigarette paper between LK, YC nd AB so JC was the only one that was offering a different direction, also the media wasnt as hostile as it is now. Then they kind of sealed Corbyn position as leader when they took part in the chicken coup it was ill timed and ill judged and awfully run on the 'I'm not JC' ticket which was the same style of reaction as their previous GE campaign under Ed and in my opinion is what caused Ed to be defeated

Sorry for the long boring post everyone

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 22:10

Horrible disgusting, cult like little cretins

Ouch I'm member of Momentum and I've been nothing but polite, the media do have a habit of shall we say sensationalising the news around momentum, but theres going to be idiots in any organisation but also its worth bareing in mind just because some has said 'I'm a member of momentum and I believe insert cretinous opinion or insult here' doesnt actua;;y make them a member of momentum or speak for the organisation

noblegiraffe · 13/03/2019 22:16

that it classes any criticism of the Israely state government as anti-semitic

No it doesn’t. If you would criticise another democratic government for it, you’re allowed to criticise Israel for it. That’s not antisemitism.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 22:17

It's discouraging that the party, who I have supported don't hold their party representatives to higher standards. We want the best of the best out there representing. Not shambolic individuals.

I couldnt agree more and I think she should have resigned out of the party and a by-election should be held.

HauntedPencil · 13/03/2019 22:22

Sorry Just. Grin

I absolutely agree with your point on the them & us mentality.

At the end of the day if you take the assumption that Corbyn is not utter perfection, the magic grandad saviour of the poor, or on the other side a demented racist Lenin cap wearing mad old goat and actually somewhere in between we've all looked at information we have available and come to a different conclusion.

Actually saw a load of posters call Montentum Blairites on Twitter the other day. Grin