How can anyone have an ounce of respect for Corbyn

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The man is a snake. We all know he’s a Brexiteer, so why not just come out and say it? This man has no principles - he’s purely concerned with getting into No 10 and there is no low he won’t sink to in order to get there. He’s spent years heckling from the sidelines, but it’s all smoke and mirrors to detract from the fact that he has nothing of any substance to offer on any area of policy-making, let alone the Brexit shambles. The man is an utter joke.

Surely his days are numbered now, as are TM’s and the all the other Brexiteers who put their careers in front of their principles?

I voted Labour on the back of my MP, who is brilliant. I can't say I'd have made that decision otherwise.

I've never not voted labour before but it will be a good hard think next time.

Originally, I thought Corbyn was a nice man but....until I saw his behaviour at the Chakrabarti Report press conference. When one of his pals harangued Ruth Smeeth, he just. stood there like a pillock until Shami intervened. And then was filmed sharing a joke with the activist after Ruth Smeeth had left the meeting in tears.

Since then I've been following his handling of the A-S problem v closely. The line put out by his close circle has always been that complaints were made up to smear JC. Anti-Semitism denial, if you like. This is McCluskey's position. Livingstone said the same and so didJackie Walker, whose own case has now dragged on for nearly 3 years. And recently there's been Chris Williamson, who was only suspended when the PLP kicked up a. fuss..

And who's in charge of the investigations? Jennie Formby, who was once in a relationship with McCluskey and had a child with him. Her handling of complaints has been so dodgy that the EHRC has taken up the case. They knew about the chair of Luciana Berger's CLP for 6 months before the deselection attempt. Nothing had been done. If that's not institutional anti-Semitism, what is?

The NEC were on the verge of accepting the international definition of
A-S when Corbyn produced a sheet of A4 as an amendment, which effectively nullified what they'd agreed to. Fortunately, the NEC voted it down.

Corbyn's problem is he is so entrenched in the Palestinian cause that he actually agrees with the premise that Israel should never have been created and that the Palestinians have the Right to Return. Remember that one of the stated aims of Hamas is still to drive the Israelis out of Israel. The example he disagreed with was one which said it was anti-semitic to describe the foundation of the State of Israel - by the UN - as 'a racist endeavour'. A lot of Corbyn's friends would have fallen foul of that.

He meets with Hamas and Hezbollah. He appeared as a paid presenter on Iranian state TV. Why does he never meet with the Israelis? Why did he never meet Paisley during the Troubles?

Don't be fooled by his manifesto. They only laid out Phase One - and I don't think it said much about his foreign policy. He's anti-NATO. He thinks that it should have been disbanded when the Warsaw Pact was dissolved. If I lived in one of the Baltic States or Ukraine, I wouldn't fancy my chances if Corbyn got his way. Given a choice between supporting the West or supporting Russia, Corbyn will always take Russia's side. Look what happened with Syria. Has he ever condemned Assad and Russia for bombing that UN convoy or the gassing of civilians?

So I don't think he's a nice man now. At all.

I've got more respect for JC than I have for TM. He sticks to his beliefs, has done his best to make peace between people at war. He has more of a social conscience, stands up for the poor, sick, disabled & vulnerable in society & I don't think he would be rushing to press the nuclear war button, he would try to talk rather than fight.

Thyme out would love to see some evidence of this, oh wait let me guess I need to google it right?

What of Just? Tbf I think it's a pretty fair summary.

I'm pretty sure that it could all be evidenced I've seen a lot of it. Can't be arsed to google though.

Im sure its nothing more than a cut and paste job from that daily mail book about Corbyn its like every trope since the leadership contest

I’m convinced the Tories have bots on here repeating the same old lies about Corbyn which are presented in the media every day.

Well that just shows how little you understand about other people tbh.

he would rather try to talk than fight
JC would rather talk than do anything - And he’s not very good at that
He’s never had a job where he’s actually had to achieve anything and any situation that can’t be solved by a sit down over a Dairy free matcha latte and a vegan brownie leaves him totally out of his depth
I’m no Tory bot, and won’t be voting for them either but Jc is far more suited to running a committee than a country

So it’s a lie that he whipped his party to trigger article 50? That he said we should let Russia investigate the Skripal novichok and tell us if they did it? That the EHRC are so concerned about evidence of antisemitism in the Labour Party that they are conducting an investigation (last party to be investigated by them was the BNP)?That he called Hamas and Hezbollah friends? That he was massively no-confidenced by his own MPs but refused to stand down? That he refused to share a Remain platform with David Cameron despite sharing platforms with many undesirables in the past?

Which are the lies there?

It's not just Cameron he refused to share a platform with. The Labour Remain campaign tried to arrange a big event with speeches from Kinnock, Blair, Brown and Miliband. Corbyn refused, even when they proposed simultaneous events in different cities.

He won't even talk to our sister LP in Israel, let alone the ambassador. They've been snubbed so many times by his office that they've broken off relations. Yet Iran and Hamas, who invented suicide bombers, used child soldiers, trained the IRA in bomb-making and blew up buses and pizza parlours - no problem. Venezuela? He supports Maduro. No elections. Starving his people. Says it's all a Western plot.

I joined the LP before most of you were born. I left over academies and PFI under Blair. I'm ashamed of what my party has become. Chris Williamson - known as Voldemort by the PLP - and his bully-boys, riding round the country on his Harley, targeting seats for the Great Purge. As Jess Phillips said, 'I don't want to be in the same country as Chris Williamson, let alone the same party.'

When JC was elected Leader, Livingstone said, 'You're too nice to be Leader' and Corbyn replied, 'Don't worry. John (McDonnell) will do the nasty stuff.' So when Luciana Berger is under attack from the Momentumites who've taken over her CLP, I heard McDonnell say on LBC that it's nothing to do with A-S. She should meet with them and convince them of her loyalty to the Party and its Leader. How Stalinist is that? Loyalty oaths. She resigned the next day. And all through the time when she and other Jewish women MPs were being hounded with vile abuse, Corbyn didn't get in touch with her once. In 14 months.

How about he does something pro-semitic for a change. And I don't mean celebrating Passover with an ultra-Left fringe group which boos the Chief Rabbi. That wasn't reaching out. It was a massive Fuck you.

The chair of Luciana Berger’s CLP, who proposed one of the no-confidence votes in her went on a David Icke associated radio show and wittered on about how the Jews funded the Napoleonic Wars.

But I’m sure the campaign against her had nothing to do with antisemitism.

Please confirm the lies.

Whatever you think about corbyn, you can't deny that labour policies would improve lives for the vast majority of us. That is why they'll have my vote.

Of course I agree with most of Labour's domestic policies. But I have zero confidence in Corbyn's ability to carry them out. He can't even run his cabinet. Turns up and reads from a script. He doesn't have the IQ or the skill-set to think on his feet.

I don't trust the cabal who write his script: Milne, Murray, McCluskey. Two Stalinists and a bag boy for Hatton. The SWP gang from Stop the War, or, as Marina Hyde renamed it, 'Stop this particular war'. His foreign policy would be downright dangerous for the West. We live in the West.

And there's always 'Events, dear boy, events'. Do you really think the magic grandad, ditherer, fence-sitter, prevaricator in chief is the best that Labour can offer as PM? The Membership might have been taken in - tho' even they are beginning to wake up over Brexit. But the voters aren't impressed.

As a teacher, Labour’s education policies were disappointing (Lib Dems were much better) and scrapping university tuition fees would put lots of money back in the pockets of the middle classes which was possibly not what was intended. It would probably also mean fewer disadvantaged children going to uni, if you compare England’s figures to Scotland.

I don't think it's right or fair to say he has no principles. He has very strong principles. They are just shit.

If you look at the comparisons done it was actually the Lib Dem's that had the fairest policies wasn't it?

Also, the Labour 17 manifesto hadn't costed in any impact for Brexit.

So if will all have to be looked at again.

I'm really unimpressed that they are still pushing for a GE right now. It's the last thing that's needed. They promised to put their weight behind a people's vote. You might not agree with a PV but that's what the membership want so surely such a man of principle should follow this through.

I think it's a mistake to push for a GE to decide a single issue. Corbyn will go round the country talking about anything but Brexit, as he did in the actual referendum, and there's every indication that we'll end up with another hung parliament.

I doubt v much that Labour will win outright. Corbyn will have to win Scottish seats and Tories will have to vote for him in England. I think he's past his peak. 'OOOH Jeremy Corbyn' was like the Summer of Love. Of its time and never repeated. Only his hardcore fans are happy with the way he's led the party since.

Which of his principles is 'shit'? As I always end up saying in these 'discussions', it's not Corbyn you hate, it's socialism. Which is fine, life has been kind to you, I get it ... I just wish you would be honest about it and not hide behind insults, lies and smear.

As I always end up saying in these 'discussions', it's not Corbyn you hate, it's socialism.

Do you not read what people are actually saying in other discussions either then?

I still think a pv would be a mistake, I don't see what it would solve. I know what people think it may perhaps possibly solve but I don't think it'll do that. But yy to general election and a new government.

I will never vote Tory again and I like Corbyn's socialism. Besides which, hes quite an old man, he won't be the leader for ever so I wont let that stop me from voting Labour. IMO Tories are evil with their victimisation of the disabled and the poor

Which of his principles is 'shit'? As I always end up saying in these 'discussions', it's not Corbyn you hate, it's socialism. Which is fine, life has been kind to you, I get it ...

SionnachGeal70 definition of socialism especially for you. Because if life stars being kind to you, you loose AGAIN.
At least as it stands, we all have a chance without the state interfering to much. If Corbin got his way, say goodbye to a market economy and hello to a planned economy. It's also known as communism.

" ...a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole... "